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> And after you jailbreak your Tesla The Tesla belongs to the user. It no longer belongs to Tesla. That is all that matters. > Of course Tesla is concerned.

by stale2002 6y ago

> And after you jailbreak your Tesla The Tesla belongs to the user. It no longer belongs to Tesla. That is all that matters. > Of course Tesla is concerned. Their concern is of no importance to me regarding things that they no longer own. I simply do not care what their concern is on anything that is no longer owned by them.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
Good for you. But society has rules and laws, and Tesla is indeed responsible for failures in design or manufacturing. As evidenced by hundreds of lawsuits of other manufacturers, for a century.
- olyjohn 6y ago
  That doesn't mean that a handful of people with jail-broken cars are going to be able to get together and prove a manufacturing defect. If there were 2000 cars that were jailbroken, and they all crashed in the same way due to the jailbreak.. don't you think they'd figure out that the jailbreak was the problem? It's not that hard to tell if the software has been changed from stock. If they all failed differently, and had different accidents in different scenarios, you're going to have a hard time proving a manufacturer defect.
- stale2002 6y ago
  > But society has rules and laws Yes, and those rules and laws say that the car belongs to the consumer, and the consumer can basically do whatever they want to that car, regardless if Tesla doesn't want that. Tesla has no legal right to prevent someone from salvaging a car that belongs to the person. A consumer has the legal right to salvage that car, no matter what Tesla thinks on the matter. Right to repair laws are on the consumers side, not Tesla's. This is well established law, that has been in existence for literally decades, and Tesla does not get to ignore these well established laws. The fact that "Of course Tesla is concerned." is not my problem. It is not the problem of consumers, who have legals rights. And I don't care what Tesla is "concerned" about, because consumers have the legal right to salvages cars, and Tesla does not get to ignore these laws. > Tesla is indeed responsible Sucks to be Tesla then! They can shut down their business and stop making cars, if they don't like the laws that allow consumers to salvage cars.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago

Good for you. But society has rules and laws, and Tesla is indeed responsible for failures in design or manufacturing. As evidenced by hundreds of lawsuits of other manufacturers, for a century.

olyjohn 6y ago
That doesn't mean that a handful of people with jail-broken cars are going to be able to get together and prove a manufacturing defect. If there were 2000 cars that were jailbroken, and they all crashed in the same way due to the jailbreak.. don't you think they'd figure out that the jailbreak was the problem? It's not that hard to tell if the software has been changed from stock. If they all failed differently, and had different accidents in different scenarios, you're going to have a hard time proving a manufacturer defect.
stale2002 6y ago
> But society has rules and laws Yes, and those rules and laws say that the car belongs to the consumer, and the consumer can basically do whatever they want to that car, regardless if Tesla doesn't want that. Tesla has no legal right to prevent someone from salvaging a car that belongs to the person. A consumer has the legal right to salvage that car, no matter what Tesla thinks on the matter. Right to repair laws are on the consumers side, not Tesla's. This is well established law, that has been in existence for literally decades, and Tesla does not get to ignore these well established laws. The fact that "Of course Tesla is concerned." is not my problem. It is not the problem of consumers, who have legals rights. And I don't care what Tesla is "concerned" about, because consumers have the legal right to salvages cars, and Tesla does not get to ignore these laws. > Tesla is indeed responsible Sucks to be Tesla then! They can shut down their business and stop making cars, if they don't like the laws that allow consumers to salvage cars.