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Well, I agree roughly in principle, but you can’t ever expect that sort of argument to succeed here. What you call “click trolling” is allowed by the guidelines

Well, I agree roughly in principle, but you can’t ever expect that sort of argument to succeed here. What you call “click trolling” is allowed by the guidelines, and there’s this ancient pg comment people always bring up that says, roughly “downvoting to express disagreement is okay.” There’s no obligation in the rules to explain, and no technical means of enforcement, so, de facto, downvoting to disagree is a thing “the community” is apparently fine with.

shmerl 6y ago
It might be allowed by guidelines, but it's quite counter productive for any discussion and I've never seen it doing anything positive. All it does it is just hiding less voiced opinions. You have a point that not everyone might think it's a problem though. I personally don't agree that downvoting to disagree is OK.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  Well, mods do, and that's the point. Your disagreement with said policy is, sadly, not relevant.
  - shmerl 6y ago
    I'm not talking about policy, but about click trolling itself. Some places have even less policies than here, but it doesn't make click trolling any better or useful as a behavior. If you need policy to curb trolling, the place is already getting unhealthy. If they wanted better policy though, they could simply remove downvote button and leave the flag one for off-topic / offensive posts. But that wasn't my main point.
    - pmiller2 6y ago
      Well, I disagree that it's ("click trolling" -- did you invent that?) a problem here. And, given that mods are the ones who tolerate it, if you think it's a problem, you can bet it's going to continue to be a problem. And, trust me, you're not going to convince the mods here of much of anything. I have tried. Edit: Yeah, I just googled "click trolling" and found zero instances in the first 3 pages of search results suggesting the usage you're implying, except your original comment. That tells me you probably just made it up, and, by the tone of your comment, it suggests to me you made it something that sounds objectively bad.
      - shmerl 6y ago
        Sure, I think it will continue being a problem. I've seen this being misused here more than once. I'm not trying to convince the mods of anything though. Just pointing out the issue. Click trolling describes this behavior. If you have a better term for it - feel free to propose one. What's objectively bad is disagreeing, clicking "downvote" and cowardly running away without commenting. How to call that is less relevant, you can call it any way you want.

shmerl 6y ago

It might be allowed by guidelines, but it's quite counter productive for any discussion and I've never seen it doing anything positive. All it does it is just hiding less voiced opinions. You have a point that not everyone might think it's a problem though. I personally don't agree that downvoting to disagree is OK.

pmiller2 6y ago
Well, mods do, and that's the point. Your disagreement with said policy is, sadly, not relevant.
- shmerl 6y ago
  I'm not talking about policy, but about click trolling itself. Some places have even less policies than here, but it doesn't make click trolling any better or useful as a behavior. If you need policy to curb trolling, the place is already getting unhealthy. If they wanted better policy though, they could simply remove downvote button and leave the flag one for off-topic / offensive posts. But that wasn't my main point.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    Well, I disagree that it's ("click trolling" -- did you invent that?) a problem here. And, given that mods are the ones who tolerate it, if you think it's a problem, you can bet it's going to continue to be a problem. And, trust me, you're not going to convince the mods here of much of anything. I have tried. Edit: Yeah, I just googled "click trolling" and found zero instances in the first 3 pages of search results suggesting the usage you're implying, except your original comment. That tells me you probably just made it up, and, by the tone of your comment, it suggests to me you made it something that sounds objectively bad.
    - shmerl 6y ago
      Sure, I think it will continue being a problem. I've seen this being misused here more than once. I'm not trying to convince the mods of anything though. Just pointing out the issue. Click trolling describes this behavior. If you have a better term for it - feel free to propose one. What's objectively bad is disagreeing, clicking "downvote" and cowardly running away without commenting. How to call that is less relevant, you can call it any way you want.