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When we look at Facebook and other social networks, isn't it a settled issue that moderators are needed? Who moderates in a socialised society? From the point

When we look at Facebook and other social networks, isn't it a settled issue that moderators are needed? Who moderates in a socialised society? From the point of view of a bourgeois, fascism can also be a service to society because socialism is a future that will lead to chaos - not only to the collapse of liberalism but the collapse of civilization.

hutzlibu 6y ago
Well, when you ask me, no, it is not a settled issue that moderators are needed. But that is a big side-topic. "Who moderates in a socialised society?" And you probably mean a theoretic anarchistic society with no authority? Because in implemented socialist societies, there was plenty of moderation going on.
- birdsbirdsbirds 6y ago
  Anarchistic society is one thing, but 'Animal Farm' another. If socialism means re-establishing the same structures with different names, why should a bourgeois person with good intentions give up their privileges with which they can do something for the greater good?
sudosysgen 6y ago
Who moderates in a socialized society? In so far as law enforcement and general government is needed, exactly the same as in liberal society, you vote for people to form a government and do so. No one seriously believes that socialism would lead to a collapse of civilization, and no one seriously believes that fascism will lead to anything but death and despair for anyone that isn't highly privileged. What it would lead, is for a collapse of your privilege as a bourgeois, and all the rest is rationalization in order to make yourself feel better about contributing to the death of (hundreds of, in the case of what the NSDAP wanted) millions so that you can conserver your privilege.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > No one seriously believes that socialism would lead to a collapse of civilization I think lots of people who believe in capitalist ideology (probably not most of the visible preachers of that ideology, who have narrower self-interested motives, but many of the true believers) do indeed believe that. I think they are wrong, but I don't think dismissing their honest if grossly misguided belief is helpful.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    I think this is a good point. I was definitely not correct in saying that no one believes that. That being said, in the context of specifically the <1% that is the solid capitalist class, I think most don't believe this deep down, though some delude themselves into thinking so.

hutzlibu 6y ago

Well, when you ask me, no, it is not a settled issue that moderators are needed. But that is a big side-topic. "Who moderates in a socialised society?" And you probably mean a theoretic anarchistic society with no authority? Because in implemented socialist societies, there was plenty of moderation going on.

birdsbirdsbirds 6y ago
Anarchistic society is one thing, but 'Animal Farm' another. If socialism means re-establishing the same structures with different names, why should a bourgeois person with good intentions give up their privileges with which they can do something for the greater good?

sudosysgen 6y ago

Who moderates in a socialized society? In so far as law enforcement and general government is needed, exactly the same as in liberal society, you vote for people to form a government and do so. No one seriously believes that socialism would lead to a collapse of civilization, and no one seriously believes that fascism will lead to anything but death and despair for anyone that isn't highly privileged. What it would lead, is for a collapse of your privilege as a bourgeois, and all the rest is rationalization in order to make yourself feel better about contributing to the death of (hundreds of, in the case of what the NSDAP wanted) millions so that you can conserver your privilege.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> No one seriously believes that socialism would lead to a collapse of civilization I think lots of people who believe in capitalist ideology (probably not most of the visible preachers of that ideology, who have narrower self-interested motives, but many of the true believers) do indeed believe that. I think they are wrong, but I don't think dismissing their honest if grossly misguided belief is helpful.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  I think this is a good point. I was definitely not correct in saying that no one believes that. That being said, in the context of specifically the <1% that is the solid capitalist class, I think most don't believe this deep down, though some delude themselves into thinking so.