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It is about trust. I do trust that Apple and Google has competent employees. I just do not trust their companies. Concretely, I do trust google to use any data

It is about trust. I do trust that Apple and Google has competent employees. I just do not trust their companies. Concretely, I do trust google to use any data they can get of me. And probably keep this data mostly to themself, but who knows. And apple has maybe a bigger motive to keep their company image as privacy friendly, but I am not really buying into it either and in any case, as a non-US resident I do not trust hardware under the direct thumb of NSA and co. So I want open Hardware and Pine seems to be the best, there is right now.

vinay427 6y ago
The problem is this is generally a tradeoff between security and privacy, at least for now. You should trust the NSA and affiliates, but you also shouldn't assume hardware is secure just because it didn't include an exploit. Look at something like GrapheneOS for a reasonable (in my opinion) take on de-Googling phones for which Google, somewhat ironically, has added important hardware security features: https://grapheneos.org https://grapheneos.org
fsflover 6y ago
> So I want open Hardware and Pine seems to be the best, there is right now. Purism is better: they pursue FSF certification for their phone and develop software empowering the user.