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Never heard of such kind of corruption in western Europe. You never call a tow truck directly, you call your insurance which has a register of tow trucks and bo

Never heard of such kind of corruption in western Europe. You never call a tow truck directly, you call your insurance which has a register of tow trucks and body shop. If any would overprice regularly, it would be out of the register. The same for the cons in construction, all constructions of sufficient size are audited by Veritas or something alike, it's not possible to replace concrete with garbage. How is it possible that things are so different in northern america ?

namdnay 6y ago
I guess it depends whether you consider Italy to be part of Western Europe? Construction fraud is unfortunately extremely common in southern Italy
- cheeze 6y ago
  Construction in Europe is always somewhat mindblowing to me as an American. Seems like most EU countries have the work-safety comparable to a third world country. I don't know anything about corruption, but man being a construction worker in say, Belgium, seems dangerous.
  - bdauvergne 6y ago
    I have no number specifically for the constructions sector but in 2018, there were 5250[1] death attributed to work in the USA for 327,2 millions, which 16 deaths for 1 million inhabitants. This number was 136[1] deaths for 11.4 millions or 11.86 for 1 million. But the construction sector in the USA is so protected that if I was working in this sector I suppose I would still prefer to work in the states (higher pay for low qualified work). In western europe those jobs are mostly filled by eastern european or immigrants. [1]: sorry my references are in French, https://www.pressegauche.org/Pourquoi-tant-d-accidents-du-travail-aux-USA https://www.pressegauche.org/Pourquoi-tant-d-accidents-du-tr... (I would have preferred something with a domain less politically oriented, but the number seems safe), https://www.dhnet.be/actu/societe/136-accidents-du-travail-ont-cause-la-mort-en-2018-5deab9709978e272f9608e38 https://www.dhnet.be/actu/societe/136-accidents-du-travail-o...
- bdauvergne 6y ago
  I'm from France, southern Italy is excluded :) I think I did not explain my point very well : I read of corruption around construction project in France, or Germany, etc.., but it seems to me it never impacted the safety of the building as most the auditing society are not part of the corruption networks and it would make the corruption easy detectable. It's simpler to make the state overpay a building than to steal raw material; and people would not try to do both at the same time. If anyway something is stolen on a project it's by the workers not the contracting society itself.
  - SZJX 6y ago
    Incidentally I just watched a video on the infamous Brandenburg airport yesterday. The corruption was on multiple levels, both the politician and the construction companies. Yeah the materials went missing and you could argue whether it was the workers who did it or on a more organized level. But construction managers were caught receiving huge amounts of money for contracts and the politicians wanted the airport open in 2012 totally pretending that any safety concern could be ignored. It's not a good look at all. Maybe the level of corruption is lower, or maybe it just exists in a different form. Not sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWYTnc7m9mE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWYTnc7m9mE
mcguire 6y ago
"You never call a tow truck directly, you call your insurance which has a register of tow trucks and body shop." That's where the corruption is.

namdnay 6y ago

I guess it depends whether you consider Italy to be part of Western Europe? Construction fraud is unfortunately extremely common in southern Italy

cheeze 6y ago
Construction in Europe is always somewhat mindblowing to me as an American. Seems like most EU countries have the work-safety comparable to a third world country. I don't know anything about corruption, but man being a construction worker in say, Belgium, seems dangerous.
- bdauvergne 6y ago
  I have no number specifically for the constructions sector but in 2018, there were 5250[1] death attributed to work in the USA for 327,2 millions, which 16 deaths for 1 million inhabitants. This number was 136[1] deaths for 11.4 millions or 11.86 for 1 million. But the construction sector in the USA is so protected that if I was working in this sector I suppose I would still prefer to work in the states (higher pay for low qualified work). In western europe those jobs are mostly filled by eastern european or immigrants. [1]: sorry my references are in French, https://www.pressegauche.org/Pourquoi-tant-d-accidents-du-travail-aux-USA https://www.pressegauche.org/Pourquoi-tant-d-accidents-du-tr... (I would have preferred something with a domain less politically oriented, but the number seems safe), https://www.dhnet.be/actu/societe/136-accidents-du-travail-ont-cause-la-mort-en-2018-5deab9709978e272f9608e38 https://www.dhnet.be/actu/societe/136-accidents-du-travail-o...
bdauvergne 6y ago
I'm from France, southern Italy is excluded :) I think I did not explain my point very well : I read of corruption around construction project in France, or Germany, etc.., but it seems to me it never impacted the safety of the building as most the auditing society are not part of the corruption networks and it would make the corruption easy detectable. It's simpler to make the state overpay a building than to steal raw material; and people would not try to do both at the same time. If anyway something is stolen on a project it's by the workers not the contracting society itself.
- SZJX 6y ago
  Incidentally I just watched a video on the infamous Brandenburg airport yesterday. The corruption was on multiple levels, both the politician and the construction companies. Yeah the materials went missing and you could argue whether it was the workers who did it or on a more organized level. But construction managers were caught receiving huge amounts of money for contracts and the politicians wanted the airport open in 2012 totally pretending that any safety concern could be ignored. It's not a good look at all. Maybe the level of corruption is lower, or maybe it just exists in a different form. Not sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWYTnc7m9mE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWYTnc7m9mE

mcguire 6y ago

"You never call a tow truck directly, you call your insurance which has a register of tow trucks and body shop." That's where the corruption is.