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> The right is often threatening violence while the left is trying to get you fired from your job. Violence like setting up guillotines in front of Bezos' hous

> The right is often threatening violence while the left is trying to get you fired from your job. Violence like setting up guillotines in front of Bezos' house in Washington? Violence like when the Trump supporters held parades, shops were looted, people were beaten, buildings were burnt, and police were assaulted? So much so that shops boarded themselves days before the parades? Violence like protesters threatening "burn the system down" or "there is going to be a war" if they lose election? Or violence like Hollywood actors and actresses openly discussing beheading or assassinating the most evil orange man, or politicians openly discussing how they wanted to snap Republican supporters, and how BLMs and Antifa chanted that they wanted to kill the police? Of course there are extreme and crazy people in all spectrums, but where are the right except a few marginalized small groups? Oh wait, I’m wrong. Anyone who disagree with the left is far right, right? So Shapiro should be beaten in Berkeley. Mayor Wheeler’s apartment can be stormed. Anyone carrying our flag can be sucker punched? Yes, half of the nation is far right right and they threaten violence.

mcphage 6y ago
No, the violence like actually killing people.
- hintymad 6y ago
  You mean this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/15/matthew-dolloff-charged-murder/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/15/matthew-dol...? In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't attribute it to "the left", as fringe people do crazy things, and there are enough fringe people on both sides. What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions.
  - mcphage 6y ago
    > In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't attribute it to "the left" Perhaps because there were no signs or indications it was politically motivated? > What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions. Then you'll love this: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-... And also this: https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-3... And so on, and so on, and so on.
    - kls 6y ago
      Just so we call out facts, and for the record I am not right wing. But the second article is false on its face a self claimed hard left antifa associate killed someone in portland less than a month ago. So the claim that there has been no death puts the whole article in the making stuff up as they go along camp. As for the first article I would agree with the DHS's assessment and it gets to the heart of why each side commits violence. The radical left tends to see violence as a means to get what they want (think a child throwing a temper tantrum). The radical right tends to see violence as a declaration of war (think the OK city bombing). When the left commits violence it tends to be against the populus that they believe disagrees with them and that violence tends to stem from a "how dare you disagree with me mentality". When the right commits violence it is generally against the government and is generally a mentality more akin to a suicide bomber. I can certainly see where the government would find one form of violence more concerning that the other even if the touch points of one side are more frequent than the other. Make no mistake about it, right leaning violence intent is to be more deadly and more violent than left leaning as they are not intent on getting what they want, they are intent on revenge whatever the cost.
      - mcphage 6y ago
        > But the second article is false on its face a self claimed hard left antifa associate killed someone in portland less than a month ago. So the claim that there has been no death puts the whole article in the making stuff up as they go along camp. Or you could just, like, check the date line.
        kls 6y ago
        OK, fair enough, but that just move the question, why use an article in current discussion that does not reflect the realities as they currently stand? It still implies an agenda that makes the issue look one sided when it is indeed not one sided at all.
        mcphage 6y ago
        Because 329-vs-1 is just as one sided as 329-vs-0. But I love that you blasted it as making shit up rather than bothering to look closely at the material.

mcphage 6y ago

No, the violence like actually killing people.

hintymad 6y ago
You mean this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/15/matthew-dolloff-charged-murder/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/15/matthew-dol...? In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't attribute it to "the left", as fringe people do crazy things, and there are enough fringe people on both sides. What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions.
- mcphage 6y ago
  > In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't attribute it to "the left" Perhaps because there were no signs or indications it was politically motivated? > What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions. Then you'll love this: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-... And also this: https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-3... And so on, and so on, and so on.
  - kls 6y ago
    Just so we call out facts, and for the record I am not right wing. But the second article is false on its face a self claimed hard left antifa associate killed someone in portland less than a month ago. So the claim that there has been no death puts the whole article in the making stuff up as they go along camp. As for the first article I would agree with the DHS's assessment and it gets to the heart of why each side commits violence. The radical left tends to see violence as a means to get what they want (think a child throwing a temper tantrum). The radical right tends to see violence as a declaration of war (think the OK city bombing). When the left commits violence it tends to be against the populus that they believe disagrees with them and that violence tends to stem from a "how dare you disagree with me mentality". When the right commits violence it is generally against the government and is generally a mentality more akin to a suicide bomber. I can certainly see where the government would find one form of violence more concerning that the other even if the touch points of one side are more frequent than the other. Make no mistake about it, right leaning violence intent is to be more deadly and more violent than left leaning as they are not intent on getting what they want, they are intent on revenge whatever the cost.
    - mcphage 6y ago
      > But the second article is false on its face a self claimed hard left antifa associate killed someone in portland less than a month ago. So the claim that there has been no death puts the whole article in the making stuff up as they go along camp. Or you could just, like, check the date line.
      - kls 6y ago
        OK, fair enough, but that just move the question, why use an article in current discussion that does not reflect the realities as they currently stand? It still implies an agenda that makes the issue look one sided when it is indeed not one sided at all.
        mcphage 6y ago
        Because 329-vs-1 is just as one sided as 329-vs-0. But I love that you blasted it as making shit up rather than bothering to look closely at the material.