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So another way to filter out or alienate older employees or those with families.

chillacy 6y ago
I wish people stood up for night owls when I had to suffer the sleep schedules of the elderly or 9-5 schedule in public school.
- fatnoah 6y ago
  When I was VP of Engineering org for a startup, it was a group of about 30 Engineers at all stages of life. Some were young w/no obligations, some had families, a couple were single parents, and there were even a couple folks in the starting to have grandkids phase. I didn't particularly care what schedules people kept as long as work got done and they could be predictably reached. As a result, there were people that worked 6am to 3pm(ish), 10-3, followed by 7-10 in the evening, 11-8, etc. I had a young child and handled school dropoff, so my hours were roughly 9am - 6pm. My boss, the CEO, was a workaholic who arrived around 10am and worked to whenever. I spent an amazing amount of time dealing with "where is everyone?" sorts of questions, despite the team running fairly efficiently and still completing work on aggressive schedules.
malux85 6y ago
And what about us who are night owls and are non-functional until about 12 / 1-2PM, the current system filters out all of us. The solution was literally “come in any time you want as long as your projects get done” - what’s your objection? That everybody who wants to come in at lunchtime, and work until the small hours force themselves around your schedule because you have a family?
- ghaff 6y ago
  The issue is that there are very few jobs where you can basically ignore the rest of the world (or even the rest of the world in nearby timezones). If you're a solo writer or programmer sure. But if you work with other people, not wanting to have meetings before 2pm is often a problem. (As would someone who wanted to work midnight to 8am.) Even jobs that are quite flexible are going to want some overlap time and, even if an atypical schedule allows for a few hours of overlap, the reality is that people will get tired of always having to schedule around your preferences.
  - rwnspace 6y ago
    You're absolutely right, I'm always tired when I have to schedule around other people's preference of working 9-5. It's not like schools should be scheduling for 9AM or earlier starts either, it's bad for the kids, particularly teenagers.
    - moltar 6y ago
      Huge disservice for kids. Ton of studies show a bunch of negative consequences for kids who don’t sleep enough, which is pretty much all kids who wake up to school early.

I wish people stood up for night owls when I had to suffer the sleep schedules of the elderly or 9-5 schedule in public school.

fatnoah 6y ago
When I was VP of Engineering org for a startup, it was a group of about 30 Engineers at all stages of life. Some were young w/no obligations, some had families, a couple were single parents, and there were even a couple folks in the starting to have grandkids phase. I didn't particularly care what schedules people kept as long as work got done and they could be predictably reached. As a result, there were people that worked 6am to 3pm(ish), 10-3, followed by 7-10 in the evening, 11-8, etc. I had a young child and handled school dropoff, so my hours were roughly 9am - 6pm. My boss, the CEO, was a workaholic who arrived around 10am and worked to whenever. I spent an amazing amount of time dealing with "where is everyone?" sorts of questions, despite the team running fairly efficiently and still completing work on aggressive schedules.

malux85 6y ago

And what about us who are night owls and are non-functional until about 12 / 1-2PM, the current system filters out all of us. The solution was literally “come in any time you want as long as your projects get done” - what’s your objection? That everybody who wants to come in at lunchtime, and work until the small hours force themselves around your schedule because you have a family?

ghaff 6y ago
The issue is that there are very few jobs where you can basically ignore the rest of the world (or even the rest of the world in nearby timezones). If you're a solo writer or programmer sure. But if you work with other people, not wanting to have meetings before 2pm is often a problem. (As would someone who wanted to work midnight to 8am.) Even jobs that are quite flexible are going to want some overlap time and, even if an atypical schedule allows for a few hours of overlap, the reality is that people will get tired of always having to schedule around your preferences.
- rwnspace 6y ago
  You're absolutely right, I'm always tired when I have to schedule around other people's preference of working 9-5. It's not like schools should be scheduling for 9AM or earlier starts either, it's bad for the kids, particularly teenagers.
  - moltar 6y ago
    Huge disservice for kids. Ton of studies show a bunch of negative consequences for kids who don’t sleep enough, which is pretty much all kids who wake up to school early.