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Github MUST get it back. Otherwise this will initiate the potential collapse of their service

by kundi 6y ago

dewey 6y ago
> Otherwise this will initiate the potential collapse of their service I think you are overestimating the amount of repositories that are affected by DMCA takedown threats (erroneous or legit).
- jlokier 6y ago
  I think they're not referring to number of repos affected. I think they're referring to the stain on GitHub's reputation as a reliable place to host open source projects (controversial or not).
adkadskhj 6y ago
It already is for me. I preferred other hosts tbh, but i was using Github mainly because it was a popular resume-oriented host for the projects i'd like to advertise as such. However given that i work on some P2P services that could be argued scrape and/or distribute, i'm heavily debating moving. A nice host for a potential employer to view is not worth being DMCA'd. I hope this causes a lot of additional desire to decentralize these portions of the dev workflow stack. Potential solutions exist, but no one cares.. i hope we collectively start caring more, and adopting solutions.
delfinom 6y ago
Why exactly? Gitlab will take down the repo due to DMCA all the same. (Along with any other US ran service, and even many European ones) If you want to escape US law, feel free to use gitee.com located in China. Or, push your politicians to change the laws. Microsoft has no way of overcoming the DMCA law themselves, other major companies have continued to lose lawsuits. It doesn't help that mega monopoly entities like Disney want it to stay taht way and will bribe politicians and others.
- gruez 6y ago
  >Microsoft has no way of overcoming the DMCA law themselves ...assuming the DMCA request was valid. Some commenters in earlier HN threads were arguing that it wasn't.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  The DMCA should have no power to take down youtube-dl without a court order. The takedown section only applies to posting copyrighted material without permission, which youtube-dl was clearly not doing. The ban on circumvention tools allows for a claim in civil court, during which a judge may restrict availability of the program.
throwawaylolx 6y ago
>this will initiate the potential collapse of their service I, for one, heard a few too many times "this was the last straw" for every single privacy breach that happened in the past decade and resulted in no meaningful change for the better, so I find it hard to take this kind of statements seriously anymore. Is there any kind of basis that you'd like to provide for your speculation?
- rovr138 6y ago
  I don't think it's that. I think it's because it's a stretch of the law and can then abused to block a LOT more.
  - forest_dweller 6y ago
    The law wasn't stretched. From reading the DMCA and the fact that youtude-dl had examples of how to download copyrighted videos it seems that a DMCA was valid. I still think it is bullshit (and so is DMCA) but that is how the law is written.
- Polylactic_acid 6y ago
  How many last straws is reddit up to now?

Github MUST get it back. Otherwise this will initiate the potential collapse of their service

by kundi 6y ago

Github MUST get it back. Otherwise this will initiate the potential collapse of their service

> Otherwise this will initiate the potential collapse of their service I think you are overestimating the amount of repositories that are affected by DMCA takedown threats (erroneous or legit).

jlokier 6y ago
I think they're not referring to number of repos affected. I think they're referring to the stain on GitHub's reputation as a reliable place to host open source projects (controversial or not).

adkadskhj 6y ago

It already is for me. I preferred other hosts tbh, but i was using Github mainly because it was a popular resume-oriented host for the projects i'd like to advertise as such. However given that i work on some P2P services that could be argued scrape and/or distribute, i'm heavily debating moving. A nice host for a potential employer to view is not worth being DMCA'd. I hope this causes a lot of additional desire to decentralize these portions of the dev workflow stack. Potential solutions exist, but no one cares.. i hope we collectively start caring more, and adopting solutions.

delfinom 6y ago

Why exactly? Gitlab will take down the repo due to DMCA all the same. (Along with any other US ran service, and even many European ones) If you want to escape US law, feel free to use gitee.com located in China. Or, push your politicians to change the laws. Microsoft has no way of overcoming the DMCA law themselves, other major companies have continued to lose lawsuits. It doesn't help that mega monopoly entities like Disney want it to stay taht way and will bribe politicians and others.

gruez 6y ago
>Microsoft has no way of overcoming the DMCA law themselves ...assuming the DMCA request was valid. Some commenters in earlier HN threads were arguing that it wasn't.
boomboomsubban 6y ago
The DMCA should have no power to take down youtube-dl without a court order. The takedown section only applies to posting copyrighted material without permission, which youtube-dl was clearly not doing. The ban on circumvention tools allows for a claim in civil court, during which a judge may restrict availability of the program.

throwawaylolx 6y ago

>this will initiate the potential collapse of their service I, for one, heard a few too many times "this was the last straw" for every single privacy breach that happened in the past decade and resulted in no meaningful change for the better, so I find it hard to take this kind of statements seriously anymore. Is there any kind of basis that you'd like to provide for your speculation?

rovr138 6y ago
I don't think it's that. I think it's because it's a stretch of the law and can then abused to block a LOT more.
- forest_dweller 6y ago
  The law wasn't stretched. From reading the DMCA and the fact that youtude-dl had examples of how to download copyrighted videos it seems that a DMCA was valid. I still think it is bullshit (and so is DMCA) but that is how the law is written.
Polylactic_acid 6y ago
How many last straws is reddit up to now?