I've seen this issue with external-link-posts as well. So my guess is that that other factors besides (self-post dampeners) are involved. That said, I should c

I've seen this issue with external-link-posts as well. So my guess is that that other factors besides (self-post dampeners) are involved. That said, I should confess that I haven't attempted to read the ranking code for HN. Regardless, since the upvote count is being displayed, it seems like it will be a good idea to display the downvote/flag count as well.