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Why wouldn’t you be? The way that people react these days is so all over the place that it’s a no win situation unless you’re talking about financial/economic p

Why wouldn’t you be? The way that people react these days is so all over the place that it’s a no win situation unless you’re talking about financial/economic policy.

cblconfederate 6y ago
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- 082349872349872 6y ago
  Maybe distally, but more proximally I'd first put the blame on the people who have been running over or shooting other people.
  - tremon 6y ago
    Or ostracizing other people.
    - youareostriches 6y ago
      No, sorry. Ostracizing others is absolutely not equivalent to attempted murder.
      - mc32 6y ago
        I agree. However, both sides have shot at each other and neither has the moral high ground here.
      - tremon 6y ago
        In this discussion, I don't see why they're not equivalent. We're talking about reasons why people hide their political beliefs, not abstract ethics.
        youareostriches 6y ago
        Ethics applies here just as well. You are trying to equivocate the actions of those who actually attempt to kill those who disagree politically (aka “terrorism”) with attempts at eliminating platforms for wide dissemination of speech.
        tremon 6y ago
        That's not what ostracizing means, and you know it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
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mc32 6y ago
Attitudes and politics change with new generations. It's hard to change the way people already think. So this is a reflection of people not agreeing with the external pressure to conform to new thinking. That's not to say that you cannot convince people of new attitudes, so long as you appeal to their already held belief systems (LGBT rights, for example, animal cruelty, etc), but you cannot ram your beliefs down someone else by force and have that accepted and not have a reaction to it.
- foepys 6y ago
  That's way too simplistic. Many QAnon supporters are relatively young and don't conform to the typical "boomer" stereotype.
- abnry 6y ago
  Another factor, I would argue, is that the cultural and political changes have occurred very quickly, and that's always going to cause conflict.
shin_lao 6y ago
Even financial/economic policies are very difficult to discuss openly.
- nautilus12 6y ago
  Unless you support straight up socialism, as the article points out.
  - frob 6y ago
    Socialism is not mentioned once in this article.
    - akvadrako 6y ago
      It says those with views most liberal, by which they mean left-wing, are the only ones who feel it's safe to express their opinions.

Why wouldn’t you be? The way that people react these days is so all over the place that it’s a no win situation unless you’re talking about financial/economic policy.

cblconfederate 6y ago

082349872349872 6y ago
Maybe distally, but more proximally I'd first put the blame on the people who have been running over or shooting other people.
- tremon 6y ago
  Or ostracizing other people.
  - youareostriches 6y ago
    No, sorry. Ostracizing others is absolutely not equivalent to attempted murder.
    - mc32 6y ago
      I agree. However, both sides have shot at each other and neither has the moral high ground here.
    - tremon 6y ago
      In this discussion, I don't see why they're not equivalent. We're talking about reasons why people hide their political beliefs, not abstract ethics.
      - youareostriches 6y ago
        Ethics applies here just as well. You are trying to equivocate the actions of those who actually attempt to kill those who disagree politically (aka “terrorism”) with attempts at eliminating platforms for wide dissemination of speech.
        tremon 6y ago
        That's not what ostracizing means, and you know it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
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mc32 6y ago

Attitudes and politics change with new generations. It's hard to change the way people already think. So this is a reflection of people not agreeing with the external pressure to conform to new thinking. That's not to say that you cannot convince people of new attitudes, so long as you appeal to their already held belief systems (LGBT rights, for example, animal cruelty, etc), but you cannot ram your beliefs down someone else by force and have that accepted and not have a reaction to it.

foepys 6y ago
That's way too simplistic. Many QAnon supporters are relatively young and don't conform to the typical "boomer" stereotype.
abnry 6y ago
Another factor, I would argue, is that the cultural and political changes have occurred very quickly, and that's always going to cause conflict.

shin_lao 6y ago

Even financial/economic policies are very difficult to discuss openly.

nautilus12 6y ago
Unless you support straight up socialism, as the article points out.
- frob 6y ago
  Socialism is not mentioned once in this article.
  - akvadrako 6y ago
    It says those with views most liberal, by which they mean left-wing, are the only ones who feel it's safe to express their opinions.