Good grief, the (moving) discussion is terrible and is not getting better. The maintainer looks embarrassed and is doubling down, has not had an opportunity to

Good grief, the (moving) discussion is terrible and is not getting better. The maintainer looks embarrassed and is doubling down, has not had an opportunity to save face and this looks quite humiliating. Gah. We have to let people save face, maybe several times. A public discussion like this is just awful.