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When I first got into Linux I was like this. I regret it, now I very rarely recommend someone to try it and almost never help them set it up. I guest most peopl

When I first got into Linux I was like this. I regret it, now I very rarely recommend someone to try it and almost never help them set it up. I guest most people here understand why, tfa is very recognizable to me. Now 20 years later I run all my infrastructure from my basement, no cloud dependency for me, my OS does not spy on me and all tools I need for day to day life are Free... Freedom!!! See I proved them wrong, they should have gotten into it... Right? Wrong! Nobody cares!

elevenoh 6y ago
>Right? Wrong! Nobody cares! Until they're obviously affected by the implications (e.g. of depencies & privacy) :)
notduncansmith 6y ago
I’m sorry you feel like nobody cares. I relate to your message, and I think soon many people will appreciate the benefit of private/wholly-owned infrastructure.
- teekert 6y ago
  Yeah there are indeed people that care, thinly scattered around the world. I found soms nice communities, like the Jupiter broadcasting and Ubuntu podcast communities. This is where I vent my enthusiasm nowadays, and I get much better responses :)
segfaultbuserr 6y ago
> See I proved them wrong, they should have gotten into it... Right? Wrong! Nobody cares! Same experience. But now I found having a cynical mentality is actually liberating, it allowed me to mostly ignore arguments and holy wars among people regarding to the platforms I'm using. I can only say, "It's simply my personal preference, and I fully accept any good or bad consequences of my choices. Talk to me only if you are genuinely interested." Now my main computer is not even running a standard distro anymore, but QubesOS, an experimental security operating system. When I first installed QubesOS, I found I was unable to work on my personal projects because some features I needed was missing. Instead of writing an angry blogpost (it sucks!) or defending my choice (this view is unfair for a project with limited resources!), I immediately cloned the git repository and spent a week hacking the source code to make it work for me without saying anything. Objectively, is it a good user experience? Not at all, but I'm personally okay with that, and hacking code is much more enjoyable than advocating the platform in an argument. I guess this mentality is not good for encouraging improvements, and I fully respect those who choose to actively engage, but for me, I need to have a rest.
- loopz 6y ago
  Having preferences and letting other people have their preferences, doesn't strike me as cynical, but of maturity.
  - segfaultbuserr 6y ago
    "Works for me" is the cynical part. For example, the Chaos Computer Club once used the phrase as the catchphrase for the 33C3 conference to highlight the problem [0]. It's defined as... > A commonly used phrase by software developers to indicate that the bug reported by a user is not repeatable on their machine, and will therefore receive no more attention. Usually connotes a dismissive approach, where anything that is not visible immediately to the developer is "someone else’s problem" and is therefore not worth fixing. [0] https://events.ccc.de/2016/11/22/hello-this-is-33c3-works-for-me/ https://events.ccc.de/2016/11/22/hello-this-is-33c3-works-fo...
edanm 6y ago
> See I proved them wrong, they should have gotten into it... Right? Wrong! Nobody cares! You're right, just like the OP is right. The people you're talking to you don't care about the specific things that you care about (privacy in your case, improved learning/memory in the OP's case). That's understandable - different people care about different things.

elevenoh 6y ago

>Right? Wrong! Nobody cares! Until they're obviously affected by the implications (e.g. of depencies & privacy) :)

notduncansmith 6y ago

I’m sorry you feel like nobody cares. I relate to your message, and I think soon many people will appreciate the benefit of private/wholly-owned infrastructure.

teekert 6y ago
Yeah there are indeed people that care, thinly scattered around the world. I found soms nice communities, like the Jupiter broadcasting and Ubuntu podcast communities. This is where I vent my enthusiasm nowadays, and I get much better responses :)

segfaultbuserr 6y ago

> See I proved them wrong, they should have gotten into it... Right? Wrong! Nobody cares! Same experience. But now I found having a cynical mentality is actually liberating, it allowed me to mostly ignore arguments and holy wars among people regarding to the platforms I'm using. I can only say, "It's simply my personal preference, and I fully accept any good or bad consequences of my choices. Talk to me only if you are genuinely interested." Now my main computer is not even running a standard distro anymore, but QubesOS, an experimental security operating system. When I first installed QubesOS, I found I was unable to work on my personal projects because some features I needed was missing. Instead of writing an angry blogpost (it sucks!) or defending my choice (this view is unfair for a project with limited resources!), I immediately cloned the git repository and spent a week hacking the source code to make it work for me without saying anything. Objectively, is it a good user experience? Not at all, but I'm personally okay with that, and hacking code is much more enjoyable than advocating the platform in an argument. I guess this mentality is not good for encouraging improvements, and I fully respect those who choose to actively engage, but for me, I need to have a rest.

loopz 6y ago
Having preferences and letting other people have their preferences, doesn't strike me as cynical, but of maturity.
- segfaultbuserr 6y ago
  "Works for me" is the cynical part. For example, the Chaos Computer Club once used the phrase as the catchphrase for the 33C3 conference to highlight the problem [0]. It's defined as... > A commonly used phrase by software developers to indicate that the bug reported by a user is not repeatable on their machine, and will therefore receive no more attention. Usually connotes a dismissive approach, where anything that is not visible immediately to the developer is "someone else’s problem" and is therefore not worth fixing. [0] https://events.ccc.de/2016/11/22/hello-this-is-33c3-works-for-me/ https://events.ccc.de/2016/11/22/hello-this-is-33c3-works-fo...

edanm 6y ago

> See I proved them wrong, they should have gotten into it... Right? Wrong! Nobody cares! You're right, just like the OP is right. The people you're talking to you don't care about the specific things that you care about (privacy in your case, improved learning/memory in the OP's case). That's understandable - different people care about different things.