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Are you serious? People are concerned about the loss of jobs due to the software our industry creates, and your response is to imagine a completely made-up scen

Are you serious? People are concerned about the loss of jobs due to the software our industry creates, and your response is to imagine a completely made-up scenario where that person gets a new, more fulfilling job that you literally just made up in your own head? By the way, is that your idea of an ideal job for everyone? Sitting in a "comfy chair", rather than doing, you know, the actual job of a cameraman, a job that is arguably an art form in itself? Do you understand that people love sports, people actually enjoy the athleticism of running around with cameras documenting sports, and that what you're dismissing would be a dream job for many people? Do you really truly think the people buying this technology are doing it so that they can also continue to pay that same person to sit in a room and control it, while working towards self-actualization?? And do you think the appropriate response to concerns over jobs being eliminated is that the newly unemployed should feel grateful for being "freed" from the work they loved and took pride in, to go and do something "more fulfilling"? And add insult to injury by telling them that the job they had was just not a good job and wasn't something humans should have been doing in the first place? > I'm an automation engineer, I've worked with hundreds of machine operators. You mean, the ones that are keeping their jobs? Have you spent just as much time with the ones whose jobs have been eliminated? I mean, I can understand that you may be facing a little cognitive dissonance here due to your job, but ... try to show a tiny bit of empathy for your fellow human. You think AI won't be able to do your job someday? Are you totally comfortable being dropped onto the labor market in today's economy if your current professional skill set became entirely valueless overnight, or is that something you only expect other people to be OK with? We are recreating and eliminating entire industries, jobs, and traditions, and the level of awareness and respect for that disruption needs to dialed up by several orders of magnitude, or we as an industry, and all of us as a society, are in for some serious trouble.

poisonborz 6y ago
Why do you just think of cameraman jobs? Here, one industry (AI, object tracking) replaces another (cameraman). I would make the wild guess that this creates more jobs than it eliminates (because tech is not yet perfect or sometimes not applicable). The nature of human professions change all the time. Brickmakers or coopers also took pride in their profession. In the future, being a football match cameraman might just as well not be the best way to provide a useful service to others.
- ubercow13 6y ago
  If it creates more jobs than it eliminates, what's the motivation to use it?
ramblerman 6y ago
Both things can be true. A future where people dont have to stand by a conveyor belt or follow a ball with a camera to feed their families is a better vision of the future. While the transition also presents an immense painpoint and must be handled with the utmost care. We should find ways to keep everyone in society and with an income ASAP.
- buran77 6y ago
  The jobs AI replaces now are the kind of jobs a few pick because they love them (hence would enjoy another job less), and most pick because they have no other choice (hence they chose the best they could and any other job is almost guaranteed to be worse). These most basic of jobs are taken by people who aren't really qualified to do a more skilled or better paying job and to get qualified they certainly need resources. Losing the job they have does not help. Almost nobody chooses a cameraman, truck driver, or supermarket cashier jobs if they actually had a legitimate choice between that and a well paid tech job. But most people here have well paid tech jobs and a narrowed view of the issue. Imagine taking that old food away from a poor person because they now have the possibility to go have a nice juicy steak.
  - xxs 6y ago
    >Almost nobody chooses ... truck driver The experience from a European logistics company is that truck drivers love their jobs - travels (different countries), adventure and childhood dreams.
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  - nicoffeine 6y ago
    > Almost nobody chooses a cameraman, truck driver, or supermarket cashier jobs if they actually had a legitimate choice between that and a well paid tech job. The world beyond a chair in front of a computer is a lot more interesting to most people. I know more than a few in tech who dream of having a job where they get to interact with reality in a more direct way. And I guarantee you if the pay was closer, you'd see a lot more people adjusting their lifestyle and ditching the tech grind.
fastball 6y ago
Bruh, following a ball with a camera is not an art form.
- iso1631 6y ago
  No, it's how you get to start, probably while still in education, but you learn about framing, focus, white balance, learn about direction (forget the ball -- you want to follow the ref at this point), on a larger event you'll be part of working as a team which is an essential soft skill many graduates don't have, on a smaller even you'll be learning how to interact in a professional environment on your own, you'll be meeting people who can help you, you can A colleague of mine was on a camera at the weekend, he's not a cameraman, he's an engineer, he had to be there anyway to set up the camera, plug in the various cables, and get the pictures out. He was filming 3 people stood at lecterns and panning the camera between them as appropriate, which meant making his own decisions based on the flow of the conversation, speed of the pan (I don't think there were any zooms needed), etc. It's hardly thrilling work, and you could probably automate it. I've seen that type of automation system used for radio visualisation -- hell I've set it up on occasion, but AI isn't as good as an engineer with a little situational awareness pointing a camera, let alone a creative picture correspondent.

poisonborz 6y ago

Why do you just think of cameraman jobs? Here, one industry (AI, object tracking) replaces another (cameraman). I would make the wild guess that this creates more jobs than it eliminates (because tech is not yet perfect or sometimes not applicable). The nature of human professions change all the time. Brickmakers or coopers also took pride in their profession. In the future, being a football match cameraman might just as well not be the best way to provide a useful service to others.

ubercow13 6y ago
If it creates more jobs than it eliminates, what's the motivation to use it?

ramblerman 6y ago

Both things can be true. A future where people dont have to stand by a conveyor belt or follow a ball with a camera to feed their families is a better vision of the future. While the transition also presents an immense painpoint and must be handled with the utmost care. We should find ways to keep everyone in society and with an income ASAP.

buran77 6y ago
The jobs AI replaces now are the kind of jobs a few pick because they love them (hence would enjoy another job less), and most pick because they have no other choice (hence they chose the best they could and any other job is almost guaranteed to be worse). These most basic of jobs are taken by people who aren't really qualified to do a more skilled or better paying job and to get qualified they certainly need resources. Losing the job they have does not help. Almost nobody chooses a cameraman, truck driver, or supermarket cashier jobs if they actually had a legitimate choice between that and a well paid tech job. But most people here have well paid tech jobs and a narrowed view of the issue. Imagine taking that old food away from a poor person because they now have the possibility to go have a nice juicy steak.
- xxs 6y ago
  >Almost nobody chooses ... truck driver The experience from a European logistics company is that truck drivers love their jobs - travels (different countries), adventure and childhood dreams.
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- nicoffeine 6y ago
  > Almost nobody chooses a cameraman, truck driver, or supermarket cashier jobs if they actually had a legitimate choice between that and a well paid tech job. The world beyond a chair in front of a computer is a lot more interesting to most people. I know more than a few in tech who dream of having a job where they get to interact with reality in a more direct way. And I guarantee you if the pay was closer, you'd see a lot more people adjusting their lifestyle and ditching the tech grind.

fastball 6y ago

Bruh, following a ball with a camera is not an art form.

iso1631 6y ago
No, it's how you get to start, probably while still in education, but you learn about framing, focus, white balance, learn about direction (forget the ball -- you want to follow the ref at this point), on a larger event you'll be part of working as a team which is an essential soft skill many graduates don't have, on a smaller even you'll be learning how to interact in a professional environment on your own, you'll be meeting people who can help you, you can A colleague of mine was on a camera at the weekend, he's not a cameraman, he's an engineer, he had to be there anyway to set up the camera, plug in the various cables, and get the pictures out. He was filming 3 people stood at lecterns and panning the camera between them as appropriate, which meant making his own decisions based on the flow of the conversation, speed of the pan (I don't think there were any zooms needed), etc. It's hardly thrilling work, and you could probably automate it. I've seen that type of automation system used for radio visualisation -- hell I've set it up on occasion, but AI isn't as good as an engineer with a little situational awareness pointing a camera, let alone a creative picture correspondent.