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Its not misogynistic because it is not related to gender at all. His point is basically: "If some is already verbally abusing you, its fine to resort to light

by mam2 6y ago

Its not misogynistic because it is not related to gender at all. His point is basically: "If some is already verbally abusing you, its fine to resort to light violence if nothing else works". Its actually a point that i disagree personally, because i would just go away. But if you cant understand that verbal abuse can be far far worse than physical, you are probably the one that needs a sensitivity training more than me.. Or you just need to live life a little more until you meet some really narcisisstic and abusive partner (whichever his gender) which will harass you and make you seriously consider violence.

mlthoughts2018 6y ago
I’m sorry but this is in no way a fair characterization of his comments to Barbara Walters. It is specifically brought up in the context of slapping women, and he is quite obviously not talking about slapping in response being verbally abused, not at all. That is an attempt to completely whitewash what he said and the circumstances referring to his earlier quote from Playboy. I am sickened to see this mental gymnastics and attempt to whitewash what he actually said. It’s absolutely misogynistic to try to reinvent the meaning of what he said so as to obfuscate the fact that gender played a dominant role in his suggestion and that it was specifically in reference to slapping women.
- mam2 6y ago
  > and he is quite obviously not talking about slapping in response being verbally abused, not at all. Well maybe we have not seen the same video then. i quote: "Some women wont leave it alone. They want to have the last word and wheb you give them the last word their are not happy with it and they want to say it again. And they will try to get you into a provocative situation." Its the litteral definition of gaslighting your partner. Its a litteral case of verbal abuse. Sure he talks about women but only because the interviewer asks about the provocative idea of "slapping a women", but its the same situation with a guy in a bar that tries to provoke you and it gets physical.. If anyone is sexist here its the interviewer framing the situation as "omg man slapping a woman" to make him look bad, when its just "person who is verbally abused slapping the abuser to make it stop". Once again i wouldnt personally react like he advocated but he is kilometers away from a spousal abuser. If anything the video ends by saying he never had any trouble with his wife..
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
    Not letting something go isn't gaslighting or verbal abuse.
    - mam2 6y ago
      "And they will try to get you into a provocative situation." Jesus you guys really would really say anything to make him look bad. How else would you even be able to convey "gaslighting" or "abuse" with words at that time.
      - pseudalopex 6y ago
        I actually didn't say anything about Connery. Gaslighting was called gaslighting or trying to make someone think they're crazy. Abuse was called abuse. Even trying to provoke someone isn't gaslighting. But that isn't what he said. He just said "and get into a really provocative situation". He also said he hadn't changed his mind from when he said "If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I’d do it." Reacting to verbal abuse with physical abuse usually just escalates the situation. So it would be bad advice even if he meant what you think he did.
        mam2 6y ago
        I think he meant exactly what you said, and i agree its escalation, and personally i would not do it. Its just not "spousal abuse" like OP said trying to make hime look like evil. Its just light escalation that he say he doesnt want to do on the first place. Its not the end of the world even if its bad. Its just like the end of world in this thread because its about hitting a woman. He would say yeah "i would puch a guy who harrass me in a bar if he doesnt stop" and no one would bat an eye.
        pseudalopex 6y ago
        Many people would bat an eye at that. Even light escalation would be counterproductive. Turning a conflict physical isn't light escalation anyway.

by mam2 6y ago

mlthoughts2018 6y ago

I’m sorry but this is in no way a fair characterization of his comments to Barbara Walters. It is specifically brought up in the context of slapping women, and he is quite obviously not talking about slapping in response being verbally abused, not at all. That is an attempt to completely whitewash what he said and the circumstances referring to his earlier quote from Playboy. I am sickened to see this mental gymnastics and attempt to whitewash what he actually said. It’s absolutely misogynistic to try to reinvent the meaning of what he said so as to obfuscate the fact that gender played a dominant role in his suggestion and that it was specifically in reference to slapping women.

mam2 6y ago
> and he is quite obviously not talking about slapping in response being verbally abused, not at all. Well maybe we have not seen the same video then. i quote: "Some women wont leave it alone. They want to have the last word and wheb you give them the last word their are not happy with it and they want to say it again. And they will try to get you into a provocative situation." Its the litteral definition of gaslighting your partner. Its a litteral case of verbal abuse. Sure he talks about women but only because the interviewer asks about the provocative idea of "slapping a women", but its the same situation with a guy in a bar that tries to provoke you and it gets physical.. If anyone is sexist here its the interviewer framing the situation as "omg man slapping a woman" to make him look bad, when its just "person who is verbally abused slapping the abuser to make it stop". Once again i wouldnt personally react like he advocated but he is kilometers away from a spousal abuser. If anything the video ends by saying he never had any trouble with his wife..
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  Not letting something go isn't gaslighting or verbal abuse.
  - mam2 6y ago
    "And they will try to get you into a provocative situation." Jesus you guys really would really say anything to make him look bad. How else would you even be able to convey "gaslighting" or "abuse" with words at that time.
    - pseudalopex 6y ago
      I actually didn't say anything about Connery. Gaslighting was called gaslighting or trying to make someone think they're crazy. Abuse was called abuse. Even trying to provoke someone isn't gaslighting. But that isn't what he said. He just said "and get into a really provocative situation". He also said he hadn't changed his mind from when he said "If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I’d do it." Reacting to verbal abuse with physical abuse usually just escalates the situation. So it would be bad advice even if he meant what you think he did.
      - mam2 6y ago
        I think he meant exactly what you said, and i agree its escalation, and personally i would not do it. Its just not "spousal abuse" like OP said trying to make hime look like evil. Its just light escalation that he say he doesnt want to do on the first place. Its not the end of the world even if its bad. Its just like the end of world in this thread because its about hitting a woman. He would say yeah "i would puch a guy who harrass me in a bar if he doesnt stop" and no one would bat an eye.
        pseudalopex 6y ago
        Many people would bat an eye at that. Even light escalation would be counterproductive. Turning a conflict physical isn't light escalation anyway.