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I fast pretty easily from 6pm to noon the next day. So I would be getting an awesome 18 hour fast daily however I have coffee with milk at 8am. Am I cancelling

I fast pretty easily from 6pm to noon the next day. So I would be getting an awesome 18 hour fast daily however I have coffee with milk at 8am. Am I cancelling out those last 4 hours? I hate black coffee so I’m not sure what I could do.

loceng 6y ago
Switch when you eat. So 8am to 2pm or 4pm eating time.
- mrfusion 6y ago
  That’s certainly an idea. The nice thing now is that it’s effortless. I don’t feel like eating after dinner and I don’t feel hungry in the morning. You’d think there would be something calorie free to make coffee taste good.
  - hrbf 6y ago
    There is: high quality beans.
baxtr 6y ago
That’s what I did for a long time. But somehow it didn’t feel right. I then switched to 4pm to 8am. Works way better for me now
- mrfusion 6y ago
  So early dinner? And then a big breakfast? It’s hard with a family though if they’re on different schedules.
  - baxtr 6y ago
    No real dinner, just a snack in the afternoon. But yes, breakfast and lunch are a bit heavier. When I think about it, maybe it works better now because of lockdown and WFH...dunno
  - gumby 6y ago
    > It’s hard with a family though if they’re on different schedules. My approach was that the kids ate things I wouldn’t and so it wasn’t difficult for me to be present and not eat. And pedagogically it was apparently better than eating, say, just salad or a minuscule serving of the meal, as their mother was concerned about modeling behavior that might encourage diet pathologies (e.g. anorexia).
DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
lol, exactly same diet with the same coffee problem here. I'm constantly told that "coffee is fine" whenever I ask. But milk is still food and not a "drink" so switching to black would be the only acceptable solution. sigh.
travisjungroth 6y ago
Maybe. I think in the study the rats were fully fasted, so you’re into unknown territory as far as the study goes. But I also assume you’re not a rat, so that’s not exactly the biggest difference. There are lots of definitions of fasting and it’s not perfectly understood which consequences line up with which behaviors. It’s pretty clear things are different once you break down the different ideas of “fast” and build it back up. In a dry fast, nothing enters your body except air. Now switch to a water fast and your stomach and kidneys are going to start doing something with that water. Have some coffee and now your liver is processing that caffeine and other chemicals. Add some calories (milk) and more organs are doing more. And then once you get past 500 calories in a day, you’re not really fasting by just about any definition. So your coffee is doing something, the milk is doing something, but I don’t think it’s perfectly clear what happens at each threshold.
- calf 6y ago
  Also, I think the rats were not humans.
clopez 6y ago
Take pills of pure caffeine. Easy and cheap to find on any drugstore or Amazon or any specialized online shop. I stopped taking roasted coffee because i got concerned about acrylamide and now doing much better on just pills of caffeine.
- clopez 6y ago
  Also with just caffeine you dont have any longer the usual problems of intestinal discomfort that coffee causes.
davidlinc1 6y ago
The milk would activate your body's metabolic response, ending the fast. The coffee is fine though. Maybe try it iced?
voisin 6y ago
Depends on why you are fasting. A little milk won’t kick you out of ketosis, particularly if it is higher fat. But for autophagy benefits, it might.
- mrfusion 6y ago
  I’m trying for hippocampal neurogenesis ...

loceng 6y ago

Switch when you eat. So 8am to 2pm or 4pm eating time.

mrfusion 6y ago
That’s certainly an idea. The nice thing now is that it’s effortless. I don’t feel like eating after dinner and I don’t feel hungry in the morning. You’d think there would be something calorie free to make coffee taste good.
- hrbf 6y ago
  There is: high quality beans.

baxtr 6y ago

That’s what I did for a long time. But somehow it didn’t feel right. I then switched to 4pm to 8am. Works way better for me now

mrfusion 6y ago
So early dinner? And then a big breakfast? It’s hard with a family though if they’re on different schedules.
- baxtr 6y ago
  No real dinner, just a snack in the afternoon. But yes, breakfast and lunch are a bit heavier. When I think about it, maybe it works better now because of lockdown and WFH...dunno
- gumby 6y ago
  > It’s hard with a family though if they’re on different schedules. My approach was that the kids ate things I wouldn’t and so it wasn’t difficult for me to be present and not eat. And pedagogically it was apparently better than eating, say, just salad or a minuscule serving of the meal, as their mother was concerned about modeling behavior that might encourage diet pathologies (e.g. anorexia).

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

lol, exactly same diet with the same coffee problem here. I'm constantly told that "coffee is fine" whenever I ask. But milk is still food and not a "drink" so switching to black would be the only acceptable solution. sigh.

travisjungroth 6y ago

Maybe. I think in the study the rats were fully fasted, so you’re into unknown territory as far as the study goes. But I also assume you’re not a rat, so that’s not exactly the biggest difference. There are lots of definitions of fasting and it’s not perfectly understood which consequences line up with which behaviors. It’s pretty clear things are different once you break down the different ideas of “fast” and build it back up. In a dry fast, nothing enters your body except air. Now switch to a water fast and your stomach and kidneys are going to start doing something with that water. Have some coffee and now your liver is processing that caffeine and other chemicals. Add some calories (milk) and more organs are doing more. And then once you get past 500 calories in a day, you’re not really fasting by just about any definition. So your coffee is doing something, the milk is doing something, but I don’t think it’s perfectly clear what happens at each threshold.

calf 6y ago
Also, I think the rats were not humans.

clopez 6y ago

Take pills of pure caffeine. Easy and cheap to find on any drugstore or Amazon or any specialized online shop. I stopped taking roasted coffee because i got concerned about acrylamide and now doing much better on just pills of caffeine.

clopez 6y ago
Also with just caffeine you dont have any longer the usual problems of intestinal discomfort that coffee causes.

davidlinc1 6y ago

The milk would activate your body's metabolic response, ending the fast. The coffee is fine though. Maybe try it iced?

voisin 6y ago

Depends on why you are fasting. A little milk won’t kick you out of ketosis, particularly if it is higher fat. But for autophagy benefits, it might.

mrfusion 6y ago
I’m trying for hippocampal neurogenesis ...