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I don't agree with the analogy. Tesla manufacturers the whole package and you buy the car as a package. You don't buy the metal from your local car dealer and t

I don't agree with the analogy. Tesla manufacturers the whole package and you buy the car as a package. You don't buy the metal from your local car dealer and the software as a separate thing from Tesla. A more fitting analogy would be Apple charging you to upgrade your BIOS.

paulryanrogers 6y ago
Except they're selling incomplete software and preorders of may-never-exist software with complete/finished hardware. Updates to things I trust my family's life and health to should be classified like recalls, a sign of manufacturer failure and not a consumer privilege.
- a1369209993 6y ago
  > Updates to things I trust my family's life and health to should be classified like recalls, a sign of manufacturer failure and not a consumer privilege. To be scrupulously fair, that's true of all software; it's just more important for safety-critical software, because safety-critical software is more important.
- noizejoy 6y ago
  > Updates to things I trust my family's life and health to should be classified like recalls But modern luxury cars also feature many components that have little to do with safety.
  - paulryanrogers 6y ago
    If insignificant accessories are properly isolated then I suppose such 'updates' can just be optional patches. But if a media center bug means someone can cause my car to break hard or swerve then even those should be classified as recalls.
    - nickserv 6y ago
      If any kind of common sense is used, entertainment and control systems are on completely different hardware busses.
jiofih 6y ago
Apple does charge you to upgrade the OS.
- donarb 6y ago
  Apple does not charge for OS upgrades.
  - jiofih 6y ago
    Not right now, but they did. Snow Leopard was $29, Mountain Lion was $19.
    - lights0123 6y ago
      That was 8 years ago. Mountain Lion came out before even Windows 8, where even Microsoft was charging for upgrades too before releasing the final version (major version, not build version) of Windows.
      - fastball 6y ago
        Doesn't MSFT still charge for every OS update?
        fomine3 6y ago
        Windows 10 is the last Windows for client in current plan. MS continuously upgrades features on Win10 instead.
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    - saagarjha 6y ago
      I remain annoyed that there is no way to download the Mountain Lion I paid $19 for.
      - 6y ago

paulryanrogers 6y ago

Except they're selling incomplete software and preorders of may-never-exist software with complete/finished hardware. Updates to things I trust my family's life and health to should be classified like recalls, a sign of manufacturer failure and not a consumer privilege.

a1369209993 6y ago
> Updates to things I trust my family's life and health to should be classified like recalls, a sign of manufacturer failure and not a consumer privilege. To be scrupulously fair, that's true of all software; it's just more important for safety-critical software, because safety-critical software is more important.
noizejoy 6y ago
> Updates to things I trust my family's life and health to should be classified like recalls But modern luxury cars also feature many components that have little to do with safety.
- paulryanrogers 6y ago
  If insignificant accessories are properly isolated then I suppose such 'updates' can just be optional patches. But if a media center bug means someone can cause my car to break hard or swerve then even those should be classified as recalls.
  - nickserv 6y ago
    If any kind of common sense is used, entertainment and control systems are on completely different hardware busses.

jiofih 6y ago

Apple does charge you to upgrade the OS.

donarb 6y ago
Apple does not charge for OS upgrades.
- jiofih 6y ago
  Not right now, but they did. Snow Leopard was $29, Mountain Lion was $19.
  - lights0123 6y ago
    That was 8 years ago. Mountain Lion came out before even Windows 8, where even Microsoft was charging for upgrades too before releasing the final version (major version, not build version) of Windows.
    - fastball 6y ago
      Doesn't MSFT still charge for every OS update?
      - fomine3 6y ago
        Windows 10 is the last Windows for client in current plan. MS continuously upgrades features on Win10 instead.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - saagarjha 6y ago
    I remain annoyed that there is no way to download the Mountain Lion I paid $19 for.
    - 6y ago