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At least there is a free Community Edition now. It is one release behind (so doesn't have the latest goodness, eg the LSP server for code completion), but it do

At least there is a free Community Edition now. It is one release behind (so doesn't have the latest goodness, eg the LSP server for code completion), but it does let you build apps for non-commercial use or pre-income startups for free, using Delphi/C++, the VCL, etc. Ie, if you want to encourage people to use tools like Delphi, it is much more open to indie devs than it used to be. Link: https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter

pjmlp 6y ago
I am fully aware of it, but the damage has been done and very few will give it a second look, which is quite a produvity loss, but so is the circle of "innovation".
- the_only_law 6y ago
  I've tried it a few times. The installation was very strange I remember having to reinstall a few times in order for it to work correctly.
brnt 6y ago
Having had to use Embarcaderos Delphi, does anyone actually like that? It may be resource friendly as if it's still 2000, but the rest of the experience the same. Pascal is ageing and it shows, Embarcaderos IDE is the worst I've ever had to deal with and click and drag GUI, is it really so pleasant to work with? I find it easier to layout a Qt app. Visually or in code.
capableweb 6y ago
They are making it easy to get started with when there is a whole bunch of information I have to give them in order to download even a trial/community edition. Contrast that to most other programming languages / development environments, where you usually can just download and run it. Field required: First Name Field required: Last Name Field required: Email Field required: Password Field required: Verify Password Field required: Company Field required: Phone Field required: I have read the Community Edition End User License Agreement and confirm that my usage of the Community Edition version complies with its terms and conditions. Field required: I have read, understand and agree to Embarcadero's Terms and Conditions & Privacy Statement Field required: Yes, I would like to receive marketing communications regarding Embarcadero products, services, and events. I can unsubscribe at any time.
- Silhouette 6y ago
  Contrast that to most other programming languages / development environments, where you usually can just download and run it. There are, sadly, other offenders too. Microsoft is possibly the worst among them. Gone are the days of being able to use a free edition of Visual Studio to develop Windows applications with no strings attached. And good luck even figuring out what the privacy policy is, a problem that also applies with VS Code. I mean, why should desktop software even need a privacy policy?! Oh, right, telemetry, the plague of 21st century software. And then you have the mobile platforms and the offensive conditions and financial cut demanded by their gatekeepers, keeping Microsoft company in the obnoxious developer experiences department. Meanwhile, OSS development tools and open platforms seem to be blowing away much of the proprietary stuff in administrative and business terms (as well as often in technical terms) now. Too many greedy platform owners trying to lock everyone in, not realising that Ballmer was right all along and without developers their platform is worthless anyway. And discussions like this, and the emphasis today on cloud-hosting (usually running FOSS) and web apps, are the result.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    While bringing developers to the stone age before RAD tooling was a thing. Because when one designs languages over weekends and late nighters, state of the art GC, JIT and GUI tooling are at very deep bottom of their roadmaps. So thank you very much, but I will keep enjoying Java, .NET and C++ based tooling.
    - Silhouette 6y ago
      I think newer languages like Rust and Go are obvious counterexamples to your stereotype there. Heck, even JS and Python are. The runtimes, tools, libraries and overall developer experience for languages like these are easily on par with the Java or Microsoft ecosystems today, and in some respects far superior. They are all freely available without any strings attached, and they all work well on open platforms like Linux as well as Windows or Apple desktops.
    - mikewarot 6y ago

pjmlp 6y ago

I am fully aware of it, but the damage has been done and very few will give it a second look, which is quite a produvity loss, but so is the circle of "innovation".

the_only_law 6y ago
I've tried it a few times. The installation was very strange I remember having to reinstall a few times in order for it to work correctly.

brnt 6y ago

Having had to use Embarcaderos Delphi, does anyone actually like that? It may be resource friendly as if it's still 2000, but the rest of the experience the same. Pascal is ageing and it shows, Embarcaderos IDE is the worst I've ever had to deal with and click and drag GUI, is it really so pleasant to work with? I find it easier to layout a Qt app. Visually or in code.

capableweb 6y ago

They are making it easy to get started with when there is a whole bunch of information I have to give them in order to download even a trial/community edition. Contrast that to most other programming languages / development environments, where you usually can just download and run it. Field required: First Name Field required: Last Name Field required: Email Field required: Password Field required: Verify Password Field required: Company Field required: Phone Field required: I have read the Community Edition End User License Agreement and confirm that my usage of the Community Edition version complies with its terms and conditions. Field required: I have read, understand and agree to Embarcadero's Terms and Conditions & Privacy Statement Field required: Yes, I would like to receive marketing communications regarding Embarcadero products, services, and events. I can unsubscribe at any time.

Silhouette 6y ago
Contrast that to most other programming languages / development environments, where you usually can just download and run it. There are, sadly, other offenders too. Microsoft is possibly the worst among them. Gone are the days of being able to use a free edition of Visual Studio to develop Windows applications with no strings attached. And good luck even figuring out what the privacy policy is, a problem that also applies with VS Code. I mean, why should desktop software even need a privacy policy?! Oh, right, telemetry, the plague of 21st century software. And then you have the mobile platforms and the offensive conditions and financial cut demanded by their gatekeepers, keeping Microsoft company in the obnoxious developer experiences department. Meanwhile, OSS development tools and open platforms seem to be blowing away much of the proprietary stuff in administrative and business terms (as well as often in technical terms) now. Too many greedy platform owners trying to lock everyone in, not realising that Ballmer was right all along and without developers their platform is worthless anyway. And discussions like this, and the emphasis today on cloud-hosting (usually running FOSS) and web apps, are the result.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  While bringing developers to the stone age before RAD tooling was a thing. Because when one designs languages over weekends and late nighters, state of the art GC, JIT and GUI tooling are at very deep bottom of their roadmaps. So thank you very much, but I will keep enjoying Java, .NET and C++ based tooling.
  - Silhouette 6y ago
    I think newer languages like Rust and Go are obvious counterexamples to your stereotype there. Heck, even JS and Python are. The runtimes, tools, libraries and overall developer experience for languages like these are easily on par with the Java or Microsoft ecosystems today, and in some respects far superior. They are all freely available without any strings attached, and they all work well on open platforms like Linux as well as Windows or Apple desktops.
  - mikewarot 6y ago