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Ask HN: Should we impose conditions for implementation of UBI
Examples:
1. Birth rate/immigration management
2. Mandatory retirement age
3. Inclusive of free education and healthcare for all
4. Dual currency system: Maybe example.. existing system for trade + domestic digital etc
5. Resource management of land, water etc. the commons.
- giantg2 6y agoIf you start adding conditions, then it is no longer a UBI, but more like a tax credit.
- jelliclesfarm 6y agoIsn’t universal = for everyone?
- giantg2 6y agoMy point exactly.
- jelliclesfarm 6y agoBut that’s not a system. Every system needs a stable base and a set of agreed upon protocols.
- giantg2 6y agoI generally agree, but that is not the what a UBI is. You may be suggesting a different system that does not fit the definition of a UBI.
- jelliclesfarm 6y agoYou are right. I wasn’t aware about the last bit. Thanks. UBI universal basic income : [..] Universal basic income (UBI), also called basic income, citizen's income, citizen's basic income, basic income guarantee, basic living stipend, guaranteed annual income, or universal demogrant, is a theoretical governmental public program for a periodic payment delivered to all citizens of a given population without a means test or work requirement.[..] So I guess this vs that that is the subject of this post is valid? Conditional UBI vs Unconditional UBI ...would that have been a better way to word this?
- mrfusion 6y agoIf you do that you lose the “U”...
- dragonwriter 6y agoSome of them do; the Unconditional/Universal specifically refers to the absence of means and behavior testing. It doesn't mean there are no bounds to the target population, or that the bounds that exist aren't chosen with policy outcomes in mind. So things like citizenship/immigration status conditions, or age (e.g., adults only) conditions (whether or not I think they are good policies) are consistent with the broad concept of UBI.
- SamReidHughes 6y agoYes, we should have a separate country for UBI and its supporters. Let's make it Colorado. That way, if you want to live off UBI, or you think UBI is a good idea, you can go live there. Everybody else gets to live life without it. Edit: Or I suppose we could just make it Alaska. Durrr. But let's have a Second Alaska that does it with taxes instead of oil.
- jelliclesfarm 6y agoSo the future is city-states? Maybe globally too. No more nations.