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I understand the sentiment, but historically there has been a lot more web-framework churn in PHP compared to other languages. The “framework du jour” and the

by ratww 6y ago

I understand the sentiment, but historically there has been a lot more web-framework churn in PHP compared to other languages. The “framework du jour” and the set of best practices have changed way more often in PHP than in any other language, perhaps as much as, or more than Javascript.

hu3 6y ago
> I understand the sentiment, but historically there has been a lot more web-framework churn in PHP compared to other languages. That has not been my experience. When I used to work with that tech stack, the major framework choice only ever had 3 options: Zend Framework, Symfony and Laravel. From what I hear Laravel is the industry leading and there's no sign of that changing. Sure there are other less popular frameworks just like in other languages. > The “framework du jour” and the set of best practices have changed way more often in PHP than in any other language, perhaps as much as, or more than Javascript. PHP have had a published standard specification for framework and component interoperability for long time now: https://www.php-fig.org/psr/ https://www.php-fig.org/psr/
- ratww 6y ago
  > That has not been my experience Sure, but this is not about personal experience, but rather about history. Maybe it just happened before your time? Also, please read my reply in context. Pretty much every other language that's similar in purpose and popularity is provenly more stable regarding framework popularity than PHP. Sure it feels great to bash Rust and Kubernetes or whatever like the GP poster did, but PHP suffered from the same problems until very recently, whereas Python, Ruby, Java and C# among others did not. Even Javascript has been historically more stable in the backend than PHP: it's been pretty much just Express from almost the beginning, and other contenders never reached much popularity.

by ratww 6y ago

hu3 6y ago

> I understand the sentiment, but historically there has been a lot more web-framework churn in PHP compared to other languages. That has not been my experience. When I used to work with that tech stack, the major framework choice only ever had 3 options: Zend Framework, Symfony and Laravel. From what I hear Laravel is the industry leading and there's no sign of that changing. Sure there are other less popular frameworks just like in other languages. > The “framework du jour” and the set of best practices have changed way more often in PHP than in any other language, perhaps as much as, or more than Javascript. PHP have had a published standard specification for framework and component interoperability for long time now: https://www.php-fig.org/psr/ https://www.php-fig.org/psr/

ratww 6y ago
> That has not been my experience Sure, but this is not about personal experience, but rather about history. Maybe it just happened before your time? Also, please read my reply in context. Pretty much every other language that's similar in purpose and popularity is provenly more stable regarding framework popularity than PHP. Sure it feels great to bash Rust and Kubernetes or whatever like the GP poster did, but PHP suffered from the same problems until very recently, whereas Python, Ruby, Java and C# among others did not. Even Javascript has been historically more stable in the backend than PHP: it's been pretty much just Express from almost the beginning, and other contenders never reached much popularity.