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The guy defined what it meant to be classy, hip, and bad ass all at the same time. Mere mortals can barely do just a single one of those.
by joe_momma 6y ago
The guy defined what it meant to be classy, hip, and bad ass all at the same time. Mere mortals can barely do just a single one of those.
- psychometry 6y agoClassy... except for when he talked about physically assaulting women and how that's no big deal.
- mc32 6y agoI think one has to separate the person from the art. It’s the same with book “burnings”: because now the author has an unpopular opinion. It’s ridiculous.
- eganist 6y agoThe art also degraded women routinely as a matter of practice. I love the film series, but man, misogyny is deeply rooted in the franchise's foundations. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/10/james-bond-misogynist-daniel-craig https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/10/james-bond-miso... edit: interesting, went from +2 to -1 in a minute. Going to take this time to point out Hacker News's routine degradation of women as well now that it's on full display again.
- mc32 6y agoSo I’m not saying you _have_ to like his art. But merely they are not one and the same. It’s okay to not like him or his characters, but it’s not okay to conflate the two.
- eganist 6y agoI don't think anyone was conflating the two, but your point stands regardless.
- bborud 6y agoYeah, fortunetaly the movie industry was not a reflection of society. I mean, it's not like any of our parents or grandparents approved of any of this, right?
- eganist 6y agoI mean, they did. That's the implicit critique; it's a relic of a darker time at least in societies that try a bit better today to treat people as peers.
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- bborud 6y agoSo the people we love get away with an implied critique (nudge nudge wink wink), but we hurl stones at anyone famous? Changing makes us better. Virtue signaling does not. Assuming we're monotonously moving towards tolerance and treating people better is also extremely arrogant. The comments to this post demonstrates that with great clarity. Sean Connery isn't even cold and already people line up to piss on his grave. Next time someone in your family dies, are you going to list their moral shortcomings? The "but" right after listing their accomplishments and good sides? "BUT...he didn't like Asian people, spoke ill of jews and objectified women and stared at Mrs Jenkins daughers tits whenever he could. He ate red meat and belonged to a religion that terrorized much of the world for a thousand years". Of course not. But then again, Sean Connery isn't a person to any of us. He is just a symbol of something it is okay to hate. So pissing on his grave is somehow permissible. What annoys me isn't that people get upset about his views. What upsets me is that people have the absolutely disgusting idea that pissing on his grave makes them better. It doesn't. It just means they are a different kind of asshole.
- mlthoughts2018 6y agoRegular people tacitly endorsing misogyny is awful and should be confronted, not sugarcoated. But that is in no way remotely comparable to a huge worldwide movie star openly endorsing spousal abuse on a major television news program and never retracting it or apologizing. Obviously we should criticize that extreme of an act far far more than tacit sexism passively accepted by eg an out of touch grandparent or something. You are trying to equate the two but they are not similar at all. There’s no logical requirement for people to apply this criticism uniformly eg to every racist extended family member in order to be unhypocritical when leveling the criticism against a big media figure.
- tsimionescu 6y agoThis is not about the art, it is about the man. While he was a great actor, style icon, artist, and had a tremendously interesting life, he was also quite explicitly misogynistic in several interviews.
- mc32 6y agoI get that. We can criticize that aspect surely. However, if you like the performance like it. Disconnect the person from the performance and from the larger context (his movies were complicit in sexism). Look, consensual people can engage in degrading stuff, but we don’t come down on that because we believe that’s a private matter between consenting adults.
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- watwut 6y agoAFAIK, he was not taking about consensual bdsm. Also, art and person are related, both in good and bad. Ones opinions and feelings affects ones art.
- birdsbirdsbirds 6y agoYou have it backwards. It's the concept of class that allows you to use violence to put others in line.
- psychometry 6y agoThe word "classy" has more than one definition...
- FriendlyNormie 6y agoYou should commit suicide tonight.
- timmytokyo 6y agoVideo of Sean Connery justifying hitting women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzXkbJwrN38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzXkbJwrN38
- pixelbreaker 6y agoOffendotrons Activate.
- inopinatus 6y agoI'm halfway, got the bad hip already.
- safetyfirstb 6y agoThis is a seriously under appreciated comment! Make me laugh!
- wackget 6y agoWasn't he known for saying that "women need to be hit now and then" or something? Real classy.
- watwut 6y agoIt sounded cool and tough guy thing at the time to quite a lot of people. And the books also contain open racism. Let's chalk it to improvement over time. It is not cool not classy anymore. But it is also good to remember that it used to be acceptable thing to say for cool guy, so that we don't idealize past.
- augustk 6y agoAs far as I understand, James Bond personifies the classic male upper class ideal.