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Fear of being accused of racism or islamophobia, being fired from job for such accusation. Happened many times.

by agilob 6y ago

cblconfederate 6y ago
Being fired is the least of concern for french people. Ghettos in big cities, off-limits communities and crime are settled reality. I have multiple french friends who chose to move outside of Paris for this.
- agilob 6y ago
  I moved out from Bristol UK for similar reasons.
cycomanic 6y ago
I call bull. In pretty much every country in Europe as a politician on the right you can votes when pushing antiimmigration and islamophobia. The reason about not cracking down on the grey wolves is the weird relationship between Europe and Erdoğan. It is also worth pointing out that the grey wolves have strong history of working with rightwing/fascist groups in Europe, which makes sense as they themselves are essentially fascists.
- luckylion 6y ago
  Look at the Rotherham scandal where police and politicians shielded "asian" rape gangs for years (allegedly) out of fear of being perceived as racist. Turkey's geo-political role in the US empire (and subsequent NATO membership) plays a role, but it's not the primary driver.
  - cycomanic 6y ago
    I know that many people like to construe the myth that police is somehow lax or in bed with "lefties, islamist" or afraid of being labelled racist, islamophobia or similar. However the reality is that immigrants are disproportionately more subjects of police brutality and arbitrary harassment, and there is plenty of evidence. All recent scandals of police ties to political groups have been associations with far-right groups. Just look at the recent scandals in Germanyab nazi chat groups inside the police, connections of police to nazi groups and leaking of hidden addresses of immigration lawyers to right wing groups.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      > However the reality is that immigrants are disproportionately more subjects of police brutality and arbitrary harassment, and there is plenty of evidence. Obviously not in Rotherham, where the opposite is well documented over decades. You're trying to rewrite history, it seems.
      - cycomanic 6y ago
        No I'm not rewriting history, but you are rewriting reality by citing anecdotal exceptions. Don't get me wrong the rotherham scandal is horrible, it does not change the fact that it's an exception. Take for example the Met, the investigation into institutional racism has just reopened because of the many reports.
        luckylion 6y ago
        > No I'm not rewriting history, but you are rewriting reality by citing anecdotal exceptions. They aren't "anecdotal", they are well documented and large-scale. Please stop doing that.
dingdingdang 6y ago
This is so true, we are seeing the very real results of woke culture going wrong & instituting the exact reverse issues of the ones it trying to solve. Another example of this exact problem: "Security guard avoided Manchester Arena bomber 'for fear of being called racist'". source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/27/security-guard-avoided-manchester-arena-bomber-for-fear-of-being-called-racist https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/27/security-gua...

Fear of being accused of racism or islamophobia, being fired from job for such accusation. Happened many times.

by agilob 6y ago

Fear of being accused of racism or islamophobia, being fired from job for such accusation. Happened many times.

Being fired is the least of concern for french people. Ghettos in big cities, off-limits communities and crime are settled reality. I have multiple french friends who chose to move outside of Paris for this.

agilob 6y ago
I moved out from Bristol UK for similar reasons.

cycomanic 6y ago

I call bull. In pretty much every country in Europe as a politician on the right you can votes when pushing antiimmigration and islamophobia. The reason about not cracking down on the grey wolves is the weird relationship between Europe and Erdoğan. It is also worth pointing out that the grey wolves have strong history of working with rightwing/fascist groups in Europe, which makes sense as they themselves are essentially fascists.

luckylion 6y ago
Look at the Rotherham scandal where police and politicians shielded "asian" rape gangs for years (allegedly) out of fear of being perceived as racist. Turkey's geo-political role in the US empire (and subsequent NATO membership) plays a role, but it's not the primary driver.
- cycomanic 6y ago
  I know that many people like to construe the myth that police is somehow lax or in bed with "lefties, islamist" or afraid of being labelled racist, islamophobia or similar. However the reality is that immigrants are disproportionately more subjects of police brutality and arbitrary harassment, and there is plenty of evidence. All recent scandals of police ties to political groups have been associations with far-right groups. Just look at the recent scandals in Germanyab nazi chat groups inside the police, connections of police to nazi groups and leaking of hidden addresses of immigration lawyers to right wing groups.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    > However the reality is that immigrants are disproportionately more subjects of police brutality and arbitrary harassment, and there is plenty of evidence. Obviously not in Rotherham, where the opposite is well documented over decades. You're trying to rewrite history, it seems.
    - cycomanic 6y ago
      No I'm not rewriting history, but you are rewriting reality by citing anecdotal exceptions. Don't get me wrong the rotherham scandal is horrible, it does not change the fact that it's an exception. Take for example the Met, the investigation into institutional racism has just reopened because of the many reports.
      - luckylion 6y ago
        > No I'm not rewriting history, but you are rewriting reality by citing anecdotal exceptions. They aren't "anecdotal", they are well documented and large-scale. Please stop doing that.

dingdingdang 6y ago

This is so true, we are seeing the very real results of woke culture going wrong & instituting the exact reverse issues of the ones it trying to solve. Another example of this exact problem: "Security guard avoided Manchester Arena bomber 'for fear of being called racist'". source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/27/security-guard-avoided-manchester-arena-bomber-for-fear-of-being-called-racist https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/27/security-gua...