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That'd be generalizing the threat, and isn't the right thing to do.

sharken 6y ago
So, what is the right thing to do ? Turkey feels less and less like a European country as the days go by, and public behavior like this should not be tolerated.
- 3131s 6y ago
  Punish the specific individuals, obviously, even if there are hundreds of them.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    In what way though? Should Turkish ultranationalists be deported to Turkey? Sounds like that's what the comment was suggesting.
    - kvgr 6y ago
      Why not? If I went to turkey and start to show everybody cartoon of muhamed I would probably be stoned. Why we cannot deport people who symphatize with genocide?
inglor_cz 6y ago
Organizations like Grey Wolves deserve a crackdown and their members deportation. If they love their neo-Ottoman sultan so much, they should enjoy the great Peace and Prosperity he built in Turkey proper, including the Glorious and Strong Turkish Lira. Not live among the unbelievers and pay with their dirty Euro. Membership in Grey Wolves should be considered on par with membership in neo-Nazi structures. No reasonable country would suffer foreign neo-Nazis building structures right under their noses.
- mercurial 6y ago
  I have no sympathy for right-wing extremists, but EU countries still operate within the rule of law. You cannot deport people who are member of a legal organization, and I don't think there is enough evidence to declare it a terrorist organization.
  - timwaagh 6y ago
    I feel making a case that they are either a terrorist or just a criminal organisation would be the easiest way to get rid of them outside of turkey. Such cases are really subjective so it shouldn't be that difficult. Just last month a greek far right political party was judged to be a criminal organisation. Grey wolves could share their fate.
    - archi42 6y ago
      There are a lot of ideas here sparking with (at least) border-line racism (against racist, but it's racism nevertheless). But what you say stands out, because there is an easy solution that's not tainted by racism: These people are threatening other people. They form an organization to promote this. We as a society have a tool against that: Law.
      - kvgr 6y ago
        We certainly have law, but they are not applied. It is hard to pick people from the mob an put them on the stand. And these people hide in a large groups. Same as Nazis did. Alone they are afraid and harmless. We seem to forget the history here. If we don't suppress extremism early we will have much bigger problems.
kvgr 6y ago
I am not talking about all Turks/muslims. But about those that participate in fascist marches, share hate propaganda. No place if you don't respect freedom of speach and share rasism. Also stop money from Saudis and Iran to build mosques. Return hateful clergy. I would also like to shut down catholic shurch but that is another debate :D

So, what is the right thing to do ? Turkey feels less and less like a European country as the days go by, and public behavior like this should not be tolerated.

3131s 6y ago
Punish the specific individuals, obviously, even if there are hundreds of them.
- luckylion 6y ago
  In what way though? Should Turkish ultranationalists be deported to Turkey? Sounds like that's what the comment was suggesting.
  - kvgr 6y ago
    Why not? If I went to turkey and start to show everybody cartoon of muhamed I would probably be stoned. Why we cannot deport people who symphatize with genocide?

inglor_cz 6y ago

Organizations like Grey Wolves deserve a crackdown and their members deportation. If they love their neo-Ottoman sultan so much, they should enjoy the great Peace and Prosperity he built in Turkey proper, including the Glorious and Strong Turkish Lira. Not live among the unbelievers and pay with their dirty Euro. Membership in Grey Wolves should be considered on par with membership in neo-Nazi structures. No reasonable country would suffer foreign neo-Nazis building structures right under their noses.

mercurial 6y ago
I have no sympathy for right-wing extremists, but EU countries still operate within the rule of law. You cannot deport people who are member of a legal organization, and I don't think there is enough evidence to declare it a terrorist organization.
- timwaagh 6y ago
  I feel making a case that they are either a terrorist or just a criminal organisation would be the easiest way to get rid of them outside of turkey. Such cases are really subjective so it shouldn't be that difficult. Just last month a greek far right political party was judged to be a criminal organisation. Grey wolves could share their fate.
  - archi42 6y ago
    There are a lot of ideas here sparking with (at least) border-line racism (against racist, but it's racism nevertheless). But what you say stands out, because there is an easy solution that's not tainted by racism: These people are threatening other people. They form an organization to promote this. We as a society have a tool against that: Law.
    - kvgr 6y ago
      We certainly have law, but they are not applied. It is hard to pick people from the mob an put them on the stand. And these people hide in a large groups. Same as Nazis did. Alone they are afraid and harmless. We seem to forget the history here. If we don't suppress extremism early we will have much bigger problems.

kvgr 6y ago

I am not talking about all Turks/muslims. But about those that participate in fascist marches, share hate propaganda. No place if you don't respect freedom of speach and share rasism. Also stop money from Saudis and Iran to build mosques. Return hateful clergy. I would also like to shut down catholic shurch but that is another debate :D