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Glenn is right-wing and always has been. And he doesn’t ignore Fox News now - he’s one of Tucker Carlson’s most frequent guests! Glenn Greenwald postures as a

Glenn is right-wing and always has been. And he doesn’t ignore Fox News now - he’s one of Tucker Carlson’s most frequent guests! Glenn Greenwald postures as a civil libertarian when he wants to attack liberals. He has basically not said a word about Trump’s drone program (which by design is dramatically more lethal than Obama’s policy), and not a word about Trump lawlessly defending convicted war criminals and encouraging more war crimes. This is because Greenwald is a dishonest hack. As someone who admired Greenwald for years and personally had discussions with him where he (temporarily) changed my mind about things through badgering and gaslighting, I am still very upset that I didn’t see this sooner.

inglor_cz 6y ago
Isnt Greenwald an outspoken Bernie Sanders supporter? IMHO he cannot be pigeonholed into a neat "right wing / left wing" scheme like that.
- ojnabieoot 6y ago
  There are a lot of right-wing Bernie Sanders supporters! A huge part of his appeal is general stances against corruption. Also, though Bernie is more anti-capitalist than most Democrats, he is also very squishy on issues of racism and misogyny. There are a lot of voters out there who support left-wing economics and right-wing social policy, and Bernie has appeal for a lot of them. There’s a large contingent on the left who are anti-“identity politics.” My dad is center-right, despises Republicans, and likes Bernie (votes for him in both primaries) but thinks Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, and Tlaib are too radical. In terms of economic policy this makes little sense, but that’s not what’s going on here.
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    Interesting. Now that is not a perspective I could get from across the ocean just by reading the news. Thank you.
  - tomp 6y ago
    Being against identity politics doesn’t make you socially right-wing.
    - ojnabieoot 6y ago
      I put “identity politics” in quotes for a reason. I think believing that a) “identity politics” is a major movement on the left, rather than a pejorative right-wing term for civil rights activism, and b) somehow deciding you’re “against” this is in fact right-wing. It is sort of like people who are against “critical race theory” - with a tiny handful of exceptions (mostly left-liberal quibbles), they are not making an academic argument about the actual subject of critical race theory so much as signaling their opposition that they’re opposed to anti-racist ideology. Criticizing the term “critical race theory” without having read a bunch of sociology is basically telling on yourself.
      - tomp 6y ago
        Indeed, I haven't read a lot academic literature about Identity Politics, Critical Race Theory, Flat Earth Theory or Holocaust Denial, nor am I going to. In my rejection of these ideologies, I mainly focus on the badness of their proposed solutions to (often perceived, not actual) problems. Specifically for Identity Politics and Critical Race Theory, the main ideological issue I see is qualifying people by their belonging to major groups (often based on race, ethnicity, religion or sex) which results in solutions that go against individual rights/liberties (which I take to be the cornerstone of liberalism). Examples are: not opposing police violence against people but only police violence against black people, supporting discrimination for/against some races (for black / against Asian when it comes to schooling), etc. A lot of these policies would be good if they were instead targeting everybody (or at most class-based (rich/poor) discrimination). A lot of the proposed bad solutions could be better if they were thought-out a bit more (e.g. "defund the police" is particularly bad... instead what you should do is, prevent police buying military gear, stop swatting, ban civil forfeiture, fund (and train) them more, legalize drugs, reduce poverty to reduce crime, ...). Edit: contrary to my words above, I actually went and read a bit about CRT on Wikipedia... One of the first "Major themes" listed is critique of liberalism. Therefore, I understand why proponents of CRT would want to pain liberals like me as bad ("right-wing"). It's also not surprising that liberals would oppose CRT.
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- MisterBastahrd 6y ago
  Greenwald positions himself as a leftist so that the people on the right, who are the ones giving him money and television appearances, can use him as an easy sounding board for their grievances. "See? Even this guy on the left thinks they're nuts!"
refurb 6y ago
Glenn is not right wing in the least. He’s a staunch socialist. And who cares if he went on Tucker. Is there a rule that you can’t talk to the “other side”? And could you expand on your list of “you must say this to be on my good side”? I hear drones, anything else? Your commentary actually sounds like an attack on everything but what his actual beliefs are.
- ojnabieoot 6y ago
  > And who cares if he went on Tucker. Is there a rule that you can’t talk to the “other side”? There is a difference between the “other side” and “a rampantly dishonest fascist carnival barker who runs the most racist television show in America.” And it’s not like Greenwald goes on to debate Carlson! Instead they just agree about how those mean Democrats are rabidly anti-Trump. > And could you expand on your list of “you must say this to be on my good side”? I hear drones, anything else? Lol wow. My point was that the issues that Greenwald is famous for suddenly stopped being important around January 20, 2017, even though the current president is dramatically worse on every single issue. He spent 8 years criticizing Democrats for opposing Bush’s foreign policy but supporting Obama. And now he’s doing the exact same thing with Trump.
  - refurb 6y ago
    You're definitely showing your hand with the hyperbole - “a rampantly dishonest fascist carnival barker who runs the most racist television show in America.” Which is patently untrue but is a great way to virtue signal. My point was that the issues that Greenwald is famous for suddenly stopped being important around January 20, 2017 Greenwald is famous for his work with Edward Snowden. Are you saying that stopped being important? Are you mad? And what Glenn is doing is calling out bullshit, no matter where he sees it. On the left or the right. And that's call integrity, something that apparently is a personal failing to you.
    - ojnabieoot 6y ago
      The personal attack is unnecessary - if you’re really suggesting that me calling Tucker Carlson’s show “the most racist show in America” is a sign that I lack integrity then I don’t think you’re a person worth engaging with. I suppose you’ll determine that a Media Matters link is inherently untrustworthy but Tucker Carlson is racist garbage, by far the worst racist on Fox News (!), and the only reason to defend him is if you yourself are racist garbage: https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlsons-descent-white-supremacy-timeline https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlsons-...

inglor_cz 6y ago

Isnt Greenwald an outspoken Bernie Sanders supporter? IMHO he cannot be pigeonholed into a neat "right wing / left wing" scheme like that.

ojnabieoot 6y ago
There are a lot of right-wing Bernie Sanders supporters! A huge part of his appeal is general stances against corruption. Also, though Bernie is more anti-capitalist than most Democrats, he is also very squishy on issues of racism and misogyny. There are a lot of voters out there who support left-wing economics and right-wing social policy, and Bernie has appeal for a lot of them. There’s a large contingent on the left who are anti-“identity politics.” My dad is center-right, despises Republicans, and likes Bernie (votes for him in both primaries) but thinks Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, and Tlaib are too radical. In terms of economic policy this makes little sense, but that’s not what’s going on here.
- inglor_cz 6y ago
  Interesting. Now that is not a perspective I could get from across the ocean just by reading the news. Thank you.
- tomp 6y ago
  Being against identity politics doesn’t make you socially right-wing.
  - ojnabieoot 6y ago
    I put “identity politics” in quotes for a reason. I think believing that a) “identity politics” is a major movement on the left, rather than a pejorative right-wing term for civil rights activism, and b) somehow deciding you’re “against” this is in fact right-wing. It is sort of like people who are against “critical race theory” - with a tiny handful of exceptions (mostly left-liberal quibbles), they are not making an academic argument about the actual subject of critical race theory so much as signaling their opposition that they’re opposed to anti-racist ideology. Criticizing the term “critical race theory” without having read a bunch of sociology is basically telling on yourself.
    - tomp 6y ago
      Indeed, I haven't read a lot academic literature about Identity Politics, Critical Race Theory, Flat Earth Theory or Holocaust Denial, nor am I going to. In my rejection of these ideologies, I mainly focus on the badness of their proposed solutions to (often perceived, not actual) problems. Specifically for Identity Politics and Critical Race Theory, the main ideological issue I see is qualifying people by their belonging to major groups (often based on race, ethnicity, religion or sex) which results in solutions that go against individual rights/liberties (which I take to be the cornerstone of liberalism). Examples are: not opposing police violence against people but only police violence against black people, supporting discrimination for/against some races (for black / against Asian when it comes to schooling), etc. A lot of these policies would be good if they were instead targeting everybody (or at most class-based (rich/poor) discrimination). A lot of the proposed bad solutions could be better if they were thought-out a bit more (e.g. "defund the police" is particularly bad... instead what you should do is, prevent police buying military gear, stop swatting, ban civil forfeiture, fund (and train) them more, legalize drugs, reduce poverty to reduce crime, ...). Edit: contrary to my words above, I actually went and read a bit about CRT on Wikipedia... One of the first "Major themes" listed is critique of liberalism. Therefore, I understand why proponents of CRT would want to pain liberals like me as bad ("right-wing"). It's also not surprising that liberals would oppose CRT.
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MisterBastahrd 6y ago
Greenwald positions himself as a leftist so that the people on the right, who are the ones giving him money and television appearances, can use him as an easy sounding board for their grievances. "See? Even this guy on the left thinks they're nuts!"

refurb 6y ago

Glenn is not right wing in the least. He’s a staunch socialist. And who cares if he went on Tucker. Is there a rule that you can’t talk to the “other side”? And could you expand on your list of “you must say this to be on my good side”? I hear drones, anything else? Your commentary actually sounds like an attack on everything but what his actual beliefs are.

ojnabieoot 6y ago
> And who cares if he went on Tucker. Is there a rule that you can’t talk to the “other side”? There is a difference between the “other side” and “a rampantly dishonest fascist carnival barker who runs the most racist television show in America.” And it’s not like Greenwald goes on to debate Carlson! Instead they just agree about how those mean Democrats are rabidly anti-Trump. > And could you expand on your list of “you must say this to be on my good side”? I hear drones, anything else? Lol wow. My point was that the issues that Greenwald is famous for suddenly stopped being important around January 20, 2017, even though the current president is dramatically worse on every single issue. He spent 8 years criticizing Democrats for opposing Bush’s foreign policy but supporting Obama. And now he’s doing the exact same thing with Trump.
- refurb 6y ago
  You're definitely showing your hand with the hyperbole - “a rampantly dishonest fascist carnival barker who runs the most racist television show in America.” Which is patently untrue but is a great way to virtue signal. My point was that the issues that Greenwald is famous for suddenly stopped being important around January 20, 2017 Greenwald is famous for his work with Edward Snowden. Are you saying that stopped being important? Are you mad? And what Glenn is doing is calling out bullshit, no matter where he sees it. On the left or the right. And that's call integrity, something that apparently is a personal failing to you.
  - ojnabieoot 6y ago
    The personal attack is unnecessary - if you’re really suggesting that me calling Tucker Carlson’s show “the most racist show in America” is a sign that I lack integrity then I don’t think you’re a person worth engaging with. I suppose you’ll determine that a Media Matters link is inherently untrustworthy but Tucker Carlson is racist garbage, by far the worst racist on Fox News (!), and the only reason to defend him is if you yourself are racist garbage: https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlsons-descent-white-supremacy-timeline https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlsons-...