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You seem to imply that it's a bad thing they are spending the money trying to get "street people" off the street. How would you recommend they handle the homel

by jjeaff 6y ago

You seem to imply that it's a bad thing they are spending the money trying to get "street people" off the street. How would you recommend they handle the homelessness crisis?

pishpash 6y ago
I read the comment and find no such implication.
fastball 6y ago
By kicking NIMBYism in the balls, mostly. Homelessness is either a housing shortage problem or a mental health problem. The former is fixed by increasing the supply of housing – that is the only real solution. The latter is fixed by providing better mental healthcare. Neither is fixed by sticking people in existing housing.
- olivermarks 6y ago
  @fastball you missed out the opioid crisis, a major contributor to street dwellers and a rapidly growing problem in California, which has historically been a destination state for itinerants. Regarding housing I support quick to erect prefabs on existing California state and county land and infrastructure, triaging the three key groups - local indigents, the mentally ill and substance abuse cases in three separate locations. I don't support project Homekey/converting hotel rooms into 'homes' for the 'homeless' which is incredibly expensive and slow, as is building 'low cost' housing https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/homeless/article245547415.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/homeless/article245547415....
  - fastball 6y ago
    Addiction is a mental health problem.
    - effingwewt 6y ago
      Not even close. Many drugs, especially the hard ones are very physically addictive. This is a multi-faceted problem. Removing NIMBYism won't help those unable to afford a place to live. Mental health professionals can't simply 'solve' addiction with a few visits/more 'medicine' These are starting points but far from an end-all solution.
      - fastball 6y ago
        Physical addiction doesn't change the fact that the root of the addiction is mental. Do you know a lot of cognitively normal / well-adjusted people that start shooting up heroin? If the problem is strong physical addiction, the solution is a rehab clinic that they're not allowed to leave, not "give them their own apartment". > Removing NIMBYism won't help those unable to afford a place to live. That is literally what it does. 1. No NIMBYism 2. More high density housing is built in places of high demand. 3. Supply goes up, prices go down. 4. People that previously couldn't afford a place now can. What am I missing?

by jjeaff 6y ago

You seem to imply that it's a bad thing they are spending the money trying to get "street people" off the street. How would you recommend they handle the homelessness crisis?

pishpash 6y ago

I read the comment and find no such implication.

fastball 6y ago

By kicking NIMBYism in the balls, mostly. Homelessness is either a housing shortage problem or a mental health problem. The former is fixed by increasing the supply of housing – that is the only real solution. The latter is fixed by providing better mental healthcare. Neither is fixed by sticking people in existing housing.

olivermarks 6y ago
@fastball you missed out the opioid crisis, a major contributor to street dwellers and a rapidly growing problem in California, which has historically been a destination state for itinerants. Regarding housing I support quick to erect prefabs on existing California state and county land and infrastructure, triaging the three key groups - local indigents, the mentally ill and substance abuse cases in three separate locations. I don't support project Homekey/converting hotel rooms into 'homes' for the 'homeless' which is incredibly expensive and slow, as is building 'low cost' housing https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/homeless/article245547415.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/homeless/article245547415....
- fastball 6y ago
  Addiction is a mental health problem.
  - effingwewt 6y ago
    Not even close. Many drugs, especially the hard ones are very physically addictive. This is a multi-faceted problem. Removing NIMBYism won't help those unable to afford a place to live. Mental health professionals can't simply 'solve' addiction with a few visits/more 'medicine' These are starting points but far from an end-all solution.
    - fastball 6y ago
      Physical addiction doesn't change the fact that the root of the addiction is mental. Do you know a lot of cognitively normal / well-adjusted people that start shooting up heroin? If the problem is strong physical addiction, the solution is a rehab clinic that they're not allowed to leave, not "give them their own apartment". > Removing NIMBYism won't help those unable to afford a place to live. That is literally what it does. 1. No NIMBYism 2. More high density housing is built in places of high demand. 3. Supply goes up, prices go down. 4. People that previously couldn't afford a place now can. What am I missing?