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Analysis of health outcomes in vaccinated and unvaccinated children (2020)

9 points by johntfella 6y ago

ravitation 6y ago
This study is only interesting as a prerequisite for reading this... https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/05/29/hooker-and-miller-publish-terrible-vaxxed-unvaxxed-study/ https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/05/29/hooker-and-miller... And, as mentioned here (among other places), https://twitter.com/gorskon/status/1266391373592309761 https://twitter.com/gorskon/status/1266391373592309761... "Brian Hooker and Neil Z. Miller, [are] two antivaccine propagandists disguising themselves as scientists."
- johntfella 6y ago
  the best rule of thumb is "the truth is in the middle some where". both sides have their dogma. dogma only increases when each side refuses anything put forth by the other side. so is the trend of the internet.
  - heyitsguay 6y ago
    It's a terrible rule of thumb, especially because it can be deliberately manipulated. I say HN user johntfella maliciously killed 12 puppies, and i heard a lot of other people say the same thing. He claims that didn't happen. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
mrkramer 6y ago
The study didn't take in consideration the most important human element of all, the genes. From my non scientific understating from reading health articles vaccine can invoke disease/disorders that you are prone to by your DNA. Scientists do not yet understand DNA profile to the fullest but one day you will not be identified by your ID or SSN but by your DNA.
phobosanomaly 6y ago
I'll just leave these here: Conflict of Interest Statement from the paper: "The authors declared the following potential conflicts of interest with respect to the research, authorship, and/or publication of this article: Dr Hooker is a paid scientific advisor and serves on the advisory board for Focus for Health (formerly Focus Autism). He also serves on the Board of Trustees for Children’s Health Defense (formerly World Mercury Project) and is a paid independent contractor of Children’s Health Defense as well. Dr Hooker is the father of a 22-year old male who has been diagnosed with autism and developmental delays. Mr Miller is the director of Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute and was a paid consultant to Physicians for Informed Consent." If you're curious about those organizations mentioned there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense "Children's Health Defense is an American 501c3 nonprofit advocacy organization, known for its anti-vaccine activism. Much of the material put forth by the organization involves misinformation on vaccines and anti-vaccine propaganda. It was founded and is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Established under the name World Mercury Project in 2016, it has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water. The group has been contributing to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and legislation." http://thinktwice.com/faq.htm http://thinktwice.com/faq.htm "Some doctors will say anything to compel parents to vaccinate, even if it doesn't make sense or is an outright lie. They spread this misinformation to make parents like you feel guilty, and to create tension between parents of vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. It is a ploy to coerce you into vaccinating your child. How could your non-vaccinated child be a danger to the vaccinated child? If vaccines are effective, then the baby should be protected."

9 points by johntfella 6y ago

This study is only interesting as a prerequisite for reading this... https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/05/29/hooker-and-miller-publish-terrible-vaxxed-unvaxxed-study/ https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/05/29/hooker-and-miller... And, as mentioned here (among other places), https://twitter.com/gorskon/status/1266391373592309761 https://twitter.com/gorskon/status/1266391373592309761... "Brian Hooker and Neil Z. Miller, [are] two antivaccine propagandists disguising themselves as scientists."

johntfella 6y ago
the best rule of thumb is "the truth is in the middle some where". both sides have their dogma. dogma only increases when each side refuses anything put forth by the other side. so is the trend of the internet.
- heyitsguay 6y ago
  It's a terrible rule of thumb, especially because it can be deliberately manipulated. I say HN user johntfella maliciously killed 12 puppies, and i heard a lot of other people say the same thing. He claims that didn't happen. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

mrkramer 6y ago

The study didn't take in consideration the most important human element of all, the genes. From my non scientific understating from reading health articles vaccine can invoke disease/disorders that you are prone to by your DNA. Scientists do not yet understand DNA profile to the fullest but one day you will not be identified by your ID or SSN but by your DNA.

phobosanomaly 6y ago

I'll just leave these here: Conflict of Interest Statement from the paper: "The authors declared the following potential conflicts of interest with respect to the research, authorship, and/or publication of this article: Dr Hooker is a paid scientific advisor and serves on the advisory board for Focus for Health (formerly Focus Autism). He also serves on the Board of Trustees for Children’s Health Defense (formerly World Mercury Project) and is a paid independent contractor of Children’s Health Defense as well. Dr Hooker is the father of a 22-year old male who has been diagnosed with autism and developmental delays. Mr Miller is the director of Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute and was a paid consultant to Physicians for Informed Consent." If you're curious about those organizations mentioned there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense "Children's Health Defense is an American 501c3 nonprofit advocacy organization, known for its anti-vaccine activism. Much of the material put forth by the organization involves misinformation on vaccines and anti-vaccine propaganda. It was founded and is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Established under the name World Mercury Project in 2016, it has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water. The group has been contributing to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and legislation." http://thinktwice.com/faq.htm http://thinktwice.com/faq.htm "Some doctors will say anything to compel parents to vaccinate, even if it doesn't make sense or is an outright lie. They spread this misinformation to make parents like you feel guilty, and to create tension between parents of vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. It is a ploy to coerce you into vaccinating your child. How could your non-vaccinated child be a danger to the vaccinated child? If vaccines are effective, then the baby should be protected."