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It can occasionally lead to weird results, the most often cited is the 2009 Burlington Mayor election[1] where more voters preferred Montroll to Kiss, but Kiss

by paulgb 6y ago

It can occasionally lead to weird results, the most often cited is the 2009 Burlington Mayor election[1] where more voters preferred Montroll to Kiss, but Kiss was the winner. The counter-argument to this is that plurality voting quite frequently leads to weird results (spoiler effects, etc.), and it seems relatively rare in RCV in practice. [1] https://ranked.vote/report/us/vt/btv/2009/03/mayor https://ranked.vote/report/us/vt/btv/2009/03/mayor

lhopki01 6y ago
>where more voters preferred Montroll to Kiss That's only true in the first two rounds. In total more voters preferred Kiss over Montroll.
- paulgb 6y ago
  > That's only true in the first two rounds. In total more voters preferred Kiss over Montroll. No, in total 4064 voters preferred Montroll to Kiss, while 3476 voters preferred Kiss to Montroll. "Preferred" here means either that they ranked a candidate above the other, or that they ranked a candidate and did not rank the other. (Some ballots ranked neither candidate, and so are not considered) Edit: I did the math independently, but it lines up with the Wiki page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Burlington_mayoral_election#Analysis_of_the_2009_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Burlington_mayoral_electi...
  - lhopki01 6y ago
    Ah yes you're right. I wasn't looking at the 3rd most popular candidate in the first round. That being said the results would have been the same Under STAR voting too which people seem to suggest is better than RCV. Personally I like strict proportional representation with a Parliamentary system. This way you get what people want and you don't get a leader from a different party than the legislative.
    - smichel17 6y ago
      I'm not sure why you think the results would have been the same. I would guess that STAR voting would have Montroll beating Kiss in the runoff.
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1980phipsi 6y ago
Condorcet methods > RCV

by paulgb 6y ago

lhopki01 6y ago

>where more voters preferred Montroll to Kiss That's only true in the first two rounds. In total more voters preferred Kiss over Montroll.

paulgb 6y ago
> That's only true in the first two rounds. In total more voters preferred Kiss over Montroll. No, in total 4064 voters preferred Montroll to Kiss, while 3476 voters preferred Kiss to Montroll. "Preferred" here means either that they ranked a candidate above the other, or that they ranked a candidate and did not rank the other. (Some ballots ranked neither candidate, and so are not considered) Edit: I did the math independently, but it lines up with the Wiki page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Burlington_mayoral_election#Analysis_of_the_2009_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Burlington_mayoral_electi...
- lhopki01 6y ago
  Ah yes you're right. I wasn't looking at the 3rd most popular candidate in the first round. That being said the results would have been the same Under STAR voting too which people seem to suggest is better than RCV. Personally I like strict proportional representation with a Parliamentary system. This way you get what people want and you don't get a leader from a different party than the legislative.
  - smichel17 6y ago
    I'm not sure why you think the results would have been the same. I would guess that STAR voting would have Montroll beating Kiss in the runoff.

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1980phipsi 6y ago

Condorcet methods > RCV