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What happened to our god given right to consume whatever we please? The universal subjective human experience is that of interacting with other human beings, n
by eternalban 6y ago
What happened to our god given right to consume whatever we please?
The universal subjective human experience is that of interacting with other human beings, not all of whom are assumed to be "truth tellers". Discerning and dealing with falsehood or half-truths is the daily bread of a functioning mind.
Since when are we no longer to be trusted with discerning truth from lies?
Do you know what Velayateh Faqih, the theocratic doctrine of Ruhollah Khomeini and Iran's "Islamic Republic", means? It means 'guardianship of the learned'. According to Mr. Khomeini, your average adult Iranian is technically a "minor" that requires the "guardianship" of an "adult".
Are you a child or are you a citizen of a nation which had enshrined Free Speech as a fundamental instrument of its constitution and essence?
- sokoloff 6y agoYour freedom of speech does not require me or Mailchimp to carry, propagate, or amplify your speech, whether for free or for pay.
- eternalban 6y agoThis is all fine until that is what the "Postal Service" starts saying .. But you are right. Mailchimp and all these corporations which have clearly shown they have no regard for the civil liberties that are fundamental to the American Social Contract need to find robust competitors, post haste.
- kube-system 6y agoThe USPS is an agency of the federal government and is subject to constitutional law. Likewise, if we want to talk about social norms -- private publishers have long enjoyed editorial authority in the US. Only in very few specific instances have we forced private publishers to publish against their will.
- esja 6y agoPerhaps the government should start building digital infrastructure. As they did with roads, telecoms, etc.
- adolph 6y agoWhat is the difference between a "private publisher" and a "common carrier?" Is Mailchimp guaranteeing the accuracy of everything they choose to send rather than block?
- eternalban 6y agoI haven't bothered to read up on the origin history of this company, but would not be a surprise if they started out as spammers. > guaranteeing the accuracy The entire construct of "disinformation" is a strawman. There is ample historic evidence that the populations of societies subject to lying government organs (c.f Pravda in USSR) learn to discern deception. If "disinformation" was so potent and deadly, none of the authoritarian societies that heavily relied on disinformation and lies would have needed to apply secret police tactics to control the population. They had both and they all still collapsed. "We need to control disinformation" is double speak for "we control what you are permitted to know".
- joshuamorton 6y ago"Propaganda doesn't work, so we should let the government spread propaganda and not worry about it" is certainly a new one.
- eternalban 6y agocute. Propaganda is not a recent phenomena and we went through an entire Cold War with a noted power with excellent propaganda techniques (soviets) without censoring at this level.
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- satokema_work 6y agoWith a key difference: "Your freedom of speech does not require me or your ISP to carry, propagate, or amplify your speech, whether for free or for pay." Start to see the problem here, yet?
- tylersmith 6y agoNo problem. ISPs have as much of a right to voluntary association as you, me, or Mailchimp.
- wolco2 6y agoThey actually don't. They are forbidden from acting with other ips in regards to aliging prices/services. Plus they have common carrier status meaning they cannot offer/not offer service based on the content they carry for you. They must remain neutral. You don't have to be. Neither does mailchimp.
- joshuamorton 6y ago> They actually don't. They are forbidden from acting with other ips in regards to aliging prices/services. I am certainly also subject to anti-collusion legislation. > Plus they have common carrier status meaning they cannot offer/not offer service based on the content they carry for you. Not since 2017.
- anfilt 6y agoI would agree normally, but what ISP is not taking public money to hopefully expand their network.
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- wolco2 6y agoBut it does when an entity becomes a common carrier. Mailchimp doesn't have that status. Perhaps it should. Perhaps all companies listed on the stockmarket should fall under this status. It would have pitfalls but overall it might strike the right balance.
- eternalban 6y agoI am interested in your thoughts on, say, Google refusing to send an email because the content is deemed objectionable by Alphabet Inc.
- strawberrypuree 6y agoThere’s a distinction between one-to-one messaging and one-to-many messaging that needs to be considered. But in general, Google doesn’t control the email protocol so I don’t see a problem with them refusing to send an email they deem objectionable. This is why private email services and roll your own exist.
- srdev 6y agoNot sokoloff, but that would be a reason to move to another mail provider. If Twitter is censoring speech then the correct option is to move to another service or host your own speech. People talk about social media monopolizing the discourse but the only barriers here are network effects, and people can move to other forums (I, for example, do not use Twitter or Facebook and still manage to have online discourse). This is different than if it were censorship at the ISP level, where there are physical and legal barriers of entry which make switching a difficult or impossible option.
- Lammy 6y agoSeparate, but equal?
- tom_ 6y agoBut you can still consume it?