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Two different things. On the note of twitter, they should have just banned Trump and told him "it's a free country" years ago. The fact they are censoring #tr

Two different things. On the note of twitter, they should have just banned Trump and told him "it's a free country" years ago. The fact they are censoring #trump while not banning him comes off as extremely weak. It's exactly the kind of move that makes liberals seem hairless and under-handed. MailChimp on the other hand is primarily a ad/spam tool. They do have transactional email abilities, but any email that isn't transactional is (IMO) ad/spam. The whole point of ad/spam is to manipulate people... it's not a conversation. Limiting what type of mass manipulation they allow is very different from not letting people talk about whatever they want.

hammock 6y ago
You have a cynical take on MailChimp emails. Many emails sent through their service are DOUBLE OPT-IN, meaning the recipient raised their hand twice saying they want to receive the info. And now MailChimp is saying, no, we are stepping in, you don't get to see that.
- seph-reed 6y ago
  Very interesting ethical debate. What is the balance between: - A persons right to opt-in to (as an extreme) ego-centric mass manipulation in which they sell their very being for the sake of feeling smarter/better than other people. - A corporations right to not enable anything they see as manipulating a narrative in ways they dislike. Obvs both are extremes, but it implies that somewhere in-between is a sweet spot.
- nulbyte 6y ago
  This is not correct. Mailchimp does not require double opt-in. They used to recommend it strongly; now they just give you information about the differences [1]. Also, this only applies to a Mailchimp sign-up form. You can also add contacts manually, via import, or via the API; opt-in is assumed, even if you enable double opt-in. [1]: https://mailchimp.com/help/single-opt-in-vs-double-opt-in/ https://mailchimp.com/help/single-opt-in-vs-double-opt-in/
- giantrobot 6y ago
  That double opt-in rule is loosely enforced. They'll happily let you import bulk e-mail lists. You have to check a box saying "yes everyone opted in" and that's about it. Your account might get flagged later if enough people report your stuff to MailChimp as spam.
nulbyte 6y ago
Instagram is a Facebook property; it does not belong to Twitter. Further, Instagram is not censoring #trump. They are temporary hiding recent posts from all hashtags. The text made this clear, saying "all hashtags." You can confirm this by searching for an arbitrary hashtag; the same message is displayed. Also, Mailchimp is not primarily an ad/spam tool, and any nontransactional email is not necessarily ad/spam. Emails about outages to a service you use are not transactional (others also use it), advertising or spam. Emails about changes to a product or service are not transactional (others use it), advertising, or spam. Community newsletters are not transactional, and not necessarily advertising. Some of these emails could be or contain advertising, but that doesn't equate to spam, and many people want these emails. In fact, Mailchimp has policies against using their platform to send any unsolicited email, regardless of content, even if it is legal. You must have consent from each recipient. See Prohibited Actions at [1]. [1]: https://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/ https://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/

hammock 6y ago

You have a cynical take on MailChimp emails. Many emails sent through their service are DOUBLE OPT-IN, meaning the recipient raised their hand twice saying they want to receive the info. And now MailChimp is saying, no, we are stepping in, you don't get to see that.

seph-reed 6y ago
Very interesting ethical debate. What is the balance between: - A persons right to opt-in to (as an extreme) ego-centric mass manipulation in which they sell their very being for the sake of feeling smarter/better than other people. - A corporations right to not enable anything they see as manipulating a narrative in ways they dislike. Obvs both are extremes, but it implies that somewhere in-between is a sweet spot.
nulbyte 6y ago
This is not correct. Mailchimp does not require double opt-in. They used to recommend it strongly; now they just give you information about the differences [1]. Also, this only applies to a Mailchimp sign-up form. You can also add contacts manually, via import, or via the API; opt-in is assumed, even if you enable double opt-in. [1]: https://mailchimp.com/help/single-opt-in-vs-double-opt-in/ https://mailchimp.com/help/single-opt-in-vs-double-opt-in/
giantrobot 6y ago
That double opt-in rule is loosely enforced. They'll happily let you import bulk e-mail lists. You have to check a box saying "yes everyone opted in" and that's about it. Your account might get flagged later if enough people report your stuff to MailChimp as spam.

nulbyte 6y ago

Instagram is a Facebook property; it does not belong to Twitter. Further, Instagram is not censoring #trump. They are temporary hiding recent posts from all hashtags. The text made this clear, saying "all hashtags." You can confirm this by searching for an arbitrary hashtag; the same message is displayed. Also, Mailchimp is not primarily an ad/spam tool, and any nontransactional email is not necessarily ad/spam. Emails about outages to a service you use are not transactional (others also use it), advertising or spam. Emails about changes to a product or service are not transactional (others use it), advertising, or spam. Community newsletters are not transactional, and not necessarily advertising. Some of these emails could be or contain advertising, but that doesn't equate to spam, and many people want these emails. In fact, Mailchimp has policies against using their platform to send any unsolicited email, regardless of content, even if it is legal. You must have consent from each recipient. See Prohibited Actions at [1]. [1]: https://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/ https://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/