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Hope they continue to do well, and are added to a limited hunting season in my state, creating a balanced population and a new game animal.
by Grakel 6y ago
Hope they continue to do well, and are added to a limited hunting season in my state, creating a balanced population and a new game animal.
- ainiriand 6y agoWhy your first reaction to the recovery of this species (that your own hunter breed almost completely erased), is to think about them as moving targets? Can't you find something more productive to do than to shoot innocent animals?
- 1-more 6y agoEh, a hunter spends hours or days to kill one animal reasonably quickly. A farm slaughters thousands of animals after raising them in absolutely cruel conditions. If I had the goal to make animals suffer fewer creature-hours of pain then faced with the choice to either ban hunting or ban livestock, I'd go with livestock. However if you're vegetarian, vegan, or raise your own livestock then I salute you as having a consistent stance on the issue.
- pcmaffey 6y agoWolves are not livestock.
- NewOrderNow 6y agoA human can eat any animal. A human can't eat any vegetation. What point are you trying to make exactly?
- pcmaffey 6y agoThat people don't kill wolves to eat them. So it makes no sense to compare killing wolves for sport to killing livestock.
- NewOrderNow 6y agoThe semantics is strong with this one. Livestock is a word, it doesn't change what it is. Killing for sport, population control, or any other reason is hunting.
- 1-more 6y agoNo they aren't. What's that have to do with anything?
- ainiriand 6y agoA hunter can fail, because he is human. He can inflict a tremendous amount of suffering killing an animal, sometimes leaving the offspring alone to die of starvation. But if I had to choose between hunters of industrial farming, I choose hunters, of course. It is just I think we can try to fix both problems. And yes, I am vegan.
- falcolas 6y agoHuman hunters are, as of right now, an integral component of keeping wild animals from overpopulating. If you pull the human hunters, the herd sizes will explode (since we've driven away/contained their natural predators), and many of them will starve to death. Whatever your thoughts on hunting, it's part of the predatory/prey cycle throughout the world. It's also a not-so-distant tradition from our history that goes back millions of years.
- ainiriand 6y agoSo you are saying that we should kill animals, in cold blood and painfully, because we broke their habitats. What if instead of killing them, to patch a flawed system, we work on rebuilding their habitats? Also there are many ways of controlling the numbers of a species, killing them is just the easy one.
- floren 6y agoThey were not erased by the modern hunter, but by farmers who didn't want them eating their sheep and, in many cases, by professional wolf-killers hired by states. The renowned conservation writer Aldo Leopold's earliest work was killing bears, wolves, and mountain lions for the forest service. Unfortunately it wasn't until we'd nearly erased wolves and grizzlies (cougars have always been too wily to be wiped out) that we decided it was actually good to keep them around. Now we've got them back--but being back, they will need to be managed, and that includes hunting. Not wanton extermination, but rather a season tailored to remove a specific number of wolves in order to reach what the state fish & wildlife department considers appropriate.
- NewOrderNow 6y agoA farmer that protest his livestock is, guess what, a hunter. What is up with the semantics on murdering livestock?
- Grakel 6y agoWolves are not livestock, which is a term for animals useful to humans.
- NewOrderNow 6y agoWolves murder livestock. Perhaps we should get rid of all the guns and forget history so wolves can murder again huamns again
- fmakunbound 6y agoMurder? Really?
- NewOrderNow 6y agoI am using the language of GP, but you are attempting to use it to undermine my point. So... really?
- NewOrderNow 6y agoHunters aren't a breed. I don't understand these comments more than I don't understand a human's desire to hunt
- Grakel 6y agoThis season I bought a license to shoot one deer. It was somewhat expensive. Without limited hunting the sides of highways would be knee deep in killed animals and wrecked cars. Something has to keep the population in check. Wolves might help do this, but then they would overpopulate and have no predators.
- AcerbicZero 6y agoPersonally I only aim for the guilty ones, but occasionally wildlife court takes too long and I have to make snap judgements.
- ip26 6y agoI'm not a hunter, but hunting does provide a revenue stream for wildlife protection & management. Presence of wolf tags might also make the presence of wolves more acceptable to both hunters and ranchers.
- pcmaffey 6y agoI can't fathom how people enjoy killing for sport (for food, sure, but solely for pleasure?). That must be some kind of pathology?
- brink 6y agoI enjoy hunting to eat deer, but yeah, I also don't get why you'd kill just to kill.
- djrogers 6y ago>I also don't get why you'd kill just to kill. Hunting is an important part of modern conservation, and human hunters are the only controllable element in the predation cycle. Hunting wolves in the way the gp is referring to would be a set season with a specific number of wolves of a certain sex and size in a specific area. These numbers are determined by conservationists in the USFS among others, in order to keep a reasonable and sustainable number of wolves.
- thursday0987 6y ago100,000 years of human history would disagree on your pathology diagnosis. Humans have been killing for sport, for food, and for war, since before we were humans. We are literally the best hunters in the known universe. Its not a pathology.
- alexilliamson 6y agoBy what metric are we the best hunters? I'm no animal expert, but eagles, sharks, lions, etc. seem pretty good it!
- thursday0987 6y agoall the metrics. saying otherwise is just foolishness. hunting laws are actually designed to limit our ability to hunt because we are TOO good at it. There are limits on ammo size, on weapon types, on times of year you're allowed to hunt, etc.
- davexunit 6y agoStop killing animals.
- NewOrderNow 6y agoGive me free food
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- NewOrderNow 6y agoCommenter told me to "grow a fucking vegetable" but I can't because a wolf keeps eating it. So now I have to murder a wolf or my family starves. See how this (aka life) works?
- twothamendment 6y agoYes, that is how life works. I have a fence around my garden/orchard. It is tall enough to keep the deer out, electrified to keep the bears out, netted to keep the birds out - but ground squirrels leave me no choice but to eliminate them from the area. If they would stay away, I wouldn't have to "murder" them. At least they don't go to waste, there are plenty of hungry things out there to move them up the food chain!
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