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It is simple: Don't vote for Apple with your money. Especially iPhones. But wait they are tinkering with search engine project. They will support freedom of spe

by nbzso 6y ago

It is simple: Don't vote for Apple with your money. Especially iPhones. But wait they are tinkering with search engine project. They will support freedom of speech, or not. Interesting times we live in, very interesting.:)

onion2k 6y ago
Don't vote for Apple with your money. That's a good approach to showing a company you don't approve of what they're doing, but in the case of tech who should people use instead? Every tech company is involved with China on some level (if not directly then their suppliers are); they all do things that support the Chinese government. I agree that Apple are wrong here, but I don't see how buying from another company that's also wrong solves anything.
- nbzso 6y ago
  Yes I agree, this is nearly impossible but let me try to think for a moment. I am long time Apple user, and can remember a time, when this company checked all my professional boxes. Clean industrial design, user friendly interface, high quality pro software (Final Cut Studio, Soundtrack Pro, Motion, Shake, etc), UNIX based, perfect ergonomic features and port connectivity. Long hardware life (I use in my home music studio Apple Cinema 30" and it still is working perfectly) may be best industrial design for display ever. So, did I find resemblance in Apple of today? No. Today Apple is money printing machine with ultra polished marketing promotion and clever cost cutting strategy in manufacturing processes. Today Apple is focused on keeping the profit top spot. Yes I still use Mac OS, but more and more lean towards Linux based desktop. I see a future for creative people away from dichotomy of Mac/Windows boxes. There are enough new software (DaVinci Resolve, Blender) what is missing is someone like Affinity to port their apps to Linux and we will have a good start. May be if we buy Linux phones as early adopters, things will change somewhat, I don't know. What I know is that we as professionals must take action and stop closing our eyes, I personally share with everybody my point of view. We are good at influencing our clients, friends. In the old Apple era, I have turned a lot of people from Windows to Mac.
- bamboozled 6y ago
  Not everyone, this is likely going to be my new phone: https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ I was also thinking of an iPhone 12, I don't think I'll bother now.
  - nbzso 6y ago
    Thanks for the link. It looks good.
    - bamboozled 6y ago
      My friend had one, really liked it. It can just be expensive to get replacement parts shipped international if not in a country where they sell directly.
- fsflover 6y ago
  > but I don't see how buying from another company that's also wrong solves anything. Depends on the company: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24881988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24881988
coldtea 6y ago
>Don't vote for Apple with your money. Especially iPhones. And buy what? Google phones? Made in China as well. Plus all the shady stuff they do globally, much worse than Apple. Huawei, Xiaomi and co would probably be no-gos too. Samsung? Is SK is much better? Had been a dictatorship for most post WWII period, and transitioned to a kinda democracy around 2000. And they use Google's OS anyway. Companies make hardware. Buy them or not. Don't look to Apple or Google for politics. US companies should also play nice by the rules of the country their are in, -- not what the US thinks they should do based on their plans/thinking for the country. It's not their business to interfere with local politics pro or against.
- nbzso 6y ago
  https://www.ifixit.com/News/45921/is-this-the-end-of-the-repairable-iphone https://www.ifixit.com/News/45921/is-this-the-end-of-the-rep...
  - coldtea 6y ago
    It's a miniaturized computer with a laptop class CPU, GPS, gyroscope, LIDAR, 4 cameras, screen, speakers, mobile broadband chip, promiximity sensors, RAM, and SSD -- which is also waterproof and fits in a pocket. Makes sense that at some point such devices are not repairable any more.
    - passerby1111 6y ago
      no, read the link before posting, it's about seemingly a replaceable parts being tied to each devices and not being transferable
      - coldtea 6y ago
        >read the link before posting (a) Please don't assume. (b) The keyword is "seemingly". Just because they are seemingly replaceable doesn't mean it would be a good idea to replace them with third party repairs in a highly minutarized device. The items being tied is a red herring. Changing the camera for example has security implications (consider that the camera module is e.g. forced to light a led when on, so that you're not recorded without knowing, and that's a hardware feature tied to the secure enclave. A changed camera module can also have implications for face id. And whose to guarantee that the third party "repaired" iPhone is still waterproof to the rating Apple provides?

by nbzso 6y ago

onion2k 6y ago

Don't vote for Apple with your money. That's a good approach to showing a company you don't approve of what they're doing, but in the case of tech who should people use instead? Every tech company is involved with China on some level (if not directly then their suppliers are); they all do things that support the Chinese government. I agree that Apple are wrong here, but I don't see how buying from another company that's also wrong solves anything.

nbzso 6y ago
Yes I agree, this is nearly impossible but let me try to think for a moment. I am long time Apple user, and can remember a time, when this company checked all my professional boxes. Clean industrial design, user friendly interface, high quality pro software (Final Cut Studio, Soundtrack Pro, Motion, Shake, etc), UNIX based, perfect ergonomic features and port connectivity. Long hardware life (I use in my home music studio Apple Cinema 30" and it still is working perfectly) may be best industrial design for display ever. So, did I find resemblance in Apple of today? No. Today Apple is money printing machine with ultra polished marketing promotion and clever cost cutting strategy in manufacturing processes. Today Apple is focused on keeping the profit top spot. Yes I still use Mac OS, but more and more lean towards Linux based desktop. I see a future for creative people away from dichotomy of Mac/Windows boxes. There are enough new software (DaVinci Resolve, Blender) what is missing is someone like Affinity to port their apps to Linux and we will have a good start. May be if we buy Linux phones as early adopters, things will change somewhat, I don't know. What I know is that we as professionals must take action and stop closing our eyes, I personally share with everybody my point of view. We are good at influencing our clients, friends. In the old Apple era, I have turned a lot of people from Windows to Mac.
bamboozled 6y ago
Not everyone, this is likely going to be my new phone: https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ I was also thinking of an iPhone 12, I don't think I'll bother now.
- nbzso 6y ago
  Thanks for the link. It looks good.
  - bamboozled 6y ago
    My friend had one, really liked it. It can just be expensive to get replacement parts shipped international if not in a country where they sell directly.
fsflover 6y ago
> but I don't see how buying from another company that's also wrong solves anything. Depends on the company: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24881988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24881988

coldtea 6y ago

>Don't vote for Apple with your money. Especially iPhones. And buy what? Google phones? Made in China as well. Plus all the shady stuff they do globally, much worse than Apple. Huawei, Xiaomi and co would probably be no-gos too. Samsung? Is SK is much better? Had been a dictatorship for most post WWII period, and transitioned to a kinda democracy around 2000. And they use Google's OS anyway. Companies make hardware. Buy them or not. Don't look to Apple or Google for politics. US companies should also play nice by the rules of the country their are in, -- not what the US thinks they should do based on their plans/thinking for the country. It's not their business to interfere with local politics pro or against.

nbzso 6y ago
https://www.ifixit.com/News/45921/is-this-the-end-of-the-repairable-iphone https://www.ifixit.com/News/45921/is-this-the-end-of-the-rep...
- coldtea 6y ago
  It's a miniaturized computer with a laptop class CPU, GPS, gyroscope, LIDAR, 4 cameras, screen, speakers, mobile broadband chip, promiximity sensors, RAM, and SSD -- which is also waterproof and fits in a pocket. Makes sense that at some point such devices are not repairable any more.
  - passerby1111 6y ago
    no, read the link before posting, it's about seemingly a replaceable parts being tied to each devices and not being transferable
    - coldtea 6y ago
      >read the link before posting (a) Please don't assume. (b) The keyword is "seemingly". Just because they are seemingly replaceable doesn't mean it would be a good idea to replace them with third party repairs in a highly minutarized device. The items being tied is a red herring. Changing the camera for example has security implications (consider that the camera module is e.g. forced to light a led when on, so that you're not recorded without knowing, and that's a hardware feature tied to the secure enclave. A changed camera module can also have implications for face id. And whose to guarantee that the third party "repaired" iPhone is still waterproof to the rating Apple provides?