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Are you using an iPhone or Mac? If yes, why don't you start with yourself. Apple exists because consumers love and buy their products - irrespective of their po

Are you using an iPhone or Mac? If yes, why don't you start with yourself. Apple exists because consumers love and buy their products - irrespective of their policy decisions.

reallydontask 6y ago
I'm forced to use a Mac at work. What should I do? look for another job?
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Some people would actually do that.
- jonkho 6y ago
  Victimhood need not apply here. On balance, your employer decides the benefits of using a Mac outweighs the cons. On balance, you decide the benefits of staying on the job outweighs the cons of using a Mac. The world is not perfect and is not meant to be. You however do get to weigh your choices, make your tradeoffs and act on it.
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- pengaru 6y ago
  Yes. Who we choose to work for and where we spend our money are the two primary powers every individual wields.
  - whatatita 6y ago
    > Who we choose to work for [is one of the] primary powers every individual wields. Unfortunately, that's just not true. The vast mahority of people on lower income cannot aford to be choosy with who they work for. A great many higher earning software developers (HN's usual market) are in the same position. I agree that encouraging the few people who can afford the luxury of being choosy to vote with their feet is a good thing, but don't assume everyone has that same "primary power".
    - reallydontask 6y ago
      > A great many higher earning software developers (HN's usual market) are in the same position Once you start taking family commitments, salary requirements, type of company etc into consideration, the pool of available jobs is certainly reduced. If there is a positive from Covid, I'd hope is the acceptance of full remote work as an option or at most token office presence (e.g. Once every other week) FWIW, my question about job switching was very much tongue in cheek as by now I'm not that bothered but the first few weeks were a massive productivity sink, more so than the usual when one starts in a new company with a different stack, etc...
- fwiwm2c 6y ago
  If you feel strongly about it, you would do something about it. Least of it being working with your company on looking for alternatives to Macs.
  - reallydontask 6y ago
    Interestingly the suggestion among the refuseniks is: Just use your own device, nobody will be the wiser
janpot 6y ago
and if no? Companies need to be held accountable, regardless of who buys their stuff. Stop blaming common people for the crimes of megacorps.
- fwiwm2c 6y ago
  Apple is doing well because a lot of users continue to buy their products. And if people themselves don't find their policies egregious then so be it. One can't blame Apple for choosing the path it did. And this is not the first time Apple is kowtowing to Chinese government. See the Apple cloud deal in China which needs to store data in Tencent cloud or how Apple blocked an app in HK letting users know where the police is. Nothing has changed in now Apple is operating here.
malux85 6y ago
You can appreciate the engineering and craft of a product while not agreeing with the policy decisions of the company that created it. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. You can symbolically decide to boycott the company and not use it's products, but in the case of apple and their systems, this does a lot more damage to the individual than the company. (tongue in cheek) and have you seen the alternatives?!?!?!
- dariosalvi78 6y ago
  Some Apple users are so locked in into the Apple ecosystem that they completely ignore how excellent products exist outside of such ecosystem to the degree of justifying every shit the company makes because "there are no decent alternatives". It is by far the most successful lock-in strategy I have ever seen in tech. It goes beyond the technicalities: it has created a religion in itself. (if you only knew how many corrections I had to make to these couple of sentences I have just written to correct the mistakes introduced by my "excellent" MacBook Pro keyboard)
  - malux85 6y ago
    This is not a troll response, I'm really curious to see if there's something better, because I want the best that money can buy - - 16 Inch Screen - 8 Core i9 (16 Threads) - 4TB SSD Storage - Screen resolution is 4096x2560 @ 60Hz I write code that uses all 16 cores and is able to search data at 2.5 Gb /s reading from the SSD, which is as far as I can tell close to the hardware limits. Who's got a laptop that has this much CPU, RAM and fast SSD Storage with the same or greater screen resolution? If it exists, I really wanna know. I had a windows gaming laptop about a year ago which had close to this specs, but I used it for a month and it started slowing down because it was overheating, and then eventually it just started getting insanely hot and then powering off (Its was one of those "Predator" gaming laptops), it couldn't even handle 2 months of heavy coding abuse from me (and it was super heavy physically too), it was very disappointing.
    - whatatita 6y ago
      The ThinkPad lineup for some balling entries that match the raw power of a Macbook easily. For less money too. That said, the Macbook screen is brilliant and others don't always compare. the real thing that puts me off leaving the Apple world: MacOS. I've tried to go back to WIndows and the experience was dreadful for software engineering.

Are you using an iPhone or Mac? If yes, why don't you start with yourself. Apple exists because consumers love and buy their products - irrespective of their policy decisions.

reallydontask 6y ago

I'm forced to use a Mac at work. What should I do? look for another job?

pjmlp 6y ago
Some people would actually do that.
jonkho 6y ago
Victimhood need not apply here. On balance, your employer decides the benefits of using a Mac outweighs the cons. On balance, you decide the benefits of staying on the job outweighs the cons of using a Mac. The world is not perfect and is not meant to be. You however do get to weigh your choices, make your tradeoffs and act on it.
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pengaru 6y ago
Yes. Who we choose to work for and where we spend our money are the two primary powers every individual wields.
- whatatita 6y ago
  > Who we choose to work for [is one of the] primary powers every individual wields. Unfortunately, that's just not true. The vast mahority of people on lower income cannot aford to be choosy with who they work for. A great many higher earning software developers (HN's usual market) are in the same position. I agree that encouraging the few people who can afford the luxury of being choosy to vote with their feet is a good thing, but don't assume everyone has that same "primary power".
  - reallydontask 6y ago
    > A great many higher earning software developers (HN's usual market) are in the same position Once you start taking family commitments, salary requirements, type of company etc into consideration, the pool of available jobs is certainly reduced. If there is a positive from Covid, I'd hope is the acceptance of full remote work as an option or at most token office presence (e.g. Once every other week) FWIW, my question about job switching was very much tongue in cheek as by now I'm not that bothered but the first few weeks were a massive productivity sink, more so than the usual when one starts in a new company with a different stack, etc...
fwiwm2c 6y ago
If you feel strongly about it, you would do something about it. Least of it being working with your company on looking for alternatives to Macs.
- reallydontask 6y ago
  Interestingly the suggestion among the refuseniks is: Just use your own device, nobody will be the wiser

janpot 6y ago

and if no? Companies need to be held accountable, regardless of who buys their stuff. Stop blaming common people for the crimes of megacorps.

fwiwm2c 6y ago
Apple is doing well because a lot of users continue to buy their products. And if people themselves don't find their policies egregious then so be it. One can't blame Apple for choosing the path it did. And this is not the first time Apple is kowtowing to Chinese government. See the Apple cloud deal in China which needs to store data in Tencent cloud or how Apple blocked an app in HK letting users know where the police is. Nothing has changed in now Apple is operating here.

malux85 6y ago

You can appreciate the engineering and craft of a product while not agreeing with the policy decisions of the company that created it. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. You can symbolically decide to boycott the company and not use it's products, but in the case of apple and their systems, this does a lot more damage to the individual than the company. (tongue in cheek) and have you seen the alternatives?!?!?!

dariosalvi78 6y ago
Some Apple users are so locked in into the Apple ecosystem that they completely ignore how excellent products exist outside of such ecosystem to the degree of justifying every shit the company makes because "there are no decent alternatives". It is by far the most successful lock-in strategy I have ever seen in tech. It goes beyond the technicalities: it has created a religion in itself. (if you only knew how many corrections I had to make to these couple of sentences I have just written to correct the mistakes introduced by my "excellent" MacBook Pro keyboard)
- malux85 6y ago
  This is not a troll response, I'm really curious to see if there's something better, because I want the best that money can buy - - 16 Inch Screen - 8 Core i9 (16 Threads) - 4TB SSD Storage - Screen resolution is 4096x2560 @ 60Hz I write code that uses all 16 cores and is able to search data at 2.5 Gb /s reading from the SSD, which is as far as I can tell close to the hardware limits. Who's got a laptop that has this much CPU, RAM and fast SSD Storage with the same or greater screen resolution? If it exists, I really wanna know. I had a windows gaming laptop about a year ago which had close to this specs, but I used it for a month and it started slowing down because it was overheating, and then eventually it just started getting insanely hot and then powering off (Its was one of those "Predator" gaming laptops), it couldn't even handle 2 months of heavy coding abuse from me (and it was super heavy physically too), it was very disappointing.
  - whatatita 6y ago
    The ThinkPad lineup for some balling entries that match the raw power of a Macbook easily. For less money too. That said, the Macbook screen is brilliant and others don't always compare. the real thing that puts me off leaving the Apple world: MacOS. I've tried to go back to WIndows and the experience was dreadful for software engineering.