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> That one factoid Not one. Russiagate in its many variations was and still is happily peddled by NYT. Coverage of Syria is also straight from warmonger 101 te

> That one factoid Not one. Russiagate in its many variations was and still is happily peddled by NYT. Coverage of Syria is also straight from warmonger 101 textbook. There is likely more, but I stopped reading them regularly after 2003. > nobody ever faults the Republican Party, which actually made the decision to invade Iraq Both parties happily voted to invade. Both bear the blame.

sarakayakomzin 6y ago
>Russiagate in its many variations was and still is happily peddled by NYT. define russiagate? because there has been obvious meddling from russia and that was included in the report... you can disagree with what they cover all you want, but facts don't care about your feelings.
mola 6y ago
In a democracy public perception of reality directly correlates to your ability to perform as a politician. The Bush administration used the full thrust of the office to knowingly foster false perception of reality in huge swaths of the population. Rendering objections moot. The ultimate blame lays with the deceiver. Even though representatives of all parties votes for the invasion, they acted in a reality manufactured by lies and they represented the will of their supposed voters. You may accuse them as spineless, but there's still magnitude difference between deceiving the public, and failing to convince the public it's all lies. Losing this distinction just makes the crooks stronger.
- kazagistar 6y ago
  What is the proof that one party did it against the will of the people, while the other went with the will of the people? Given how much ongoing violence was continued and expanded even once the democrats has a president and congressional majority, it seems like both parties were and are happy to perpetuate imperialist violence in the name of a fictional protection.
- einpoklum 6y ago
  The "moot objection" included over 5 Million US residents who attended anti-war protests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War What the lies manufactured was not a "reality", it was an excuse.
IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
Yeah, that grand conspiracy to make up a story about your opponent, and then leak it to the press after the election.

sarakayakomzin 6y ago

>Russiagate in its many variations was and still is happily peddled by NYT. define russiagate? because there has been obvious meddling from russia and that was included in the report... you can disagree with what they cover all you want, but facts don't care about your feelings.

mola 6y ago

In a democracy public perception of reality directly correlates to your ability to perform as a politician. The Bush administration used the full thrust of the office to knowingly foster false perception of reality in huge swaths of the population. Rendering objections moot. The ultimate blame lays with the deceiver. Even though representatives of all parties votes for the invasion, they acted in a reality manufactured by lies and they represented the will of their supposed voters. You may accuse them as spineless, but there's still magnitude difference between deceiving the public, and failing to convince the public it's all lies. Losing this distinction just makes the crooks stronger.

kazagistar 6y ago
What is the proof that one party did it against the will of the people, while the other went with the will of the people? Given how much ongoing violence was continued and expanded even once the democrats has a president and congressional majority, it seems like both parties were and are happy to perpetuate imperialist violence in the name of a fictional protection.
einpoklum 6y ago
The "moot objection" included over 5 Million US residents who attended anti-war protests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War What the lies manufactured was not a "reality", it was an excuse.

IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago

Yeah, that grand conspiracy to make up a story about your opponent, and then leak it to the press after the election.