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Please don’t do this here. The HN guidelines make clear the kind of community we’re going for is one that resists provocation toward the uninteresting. In parti
by jccc 6y ago
Please don’t do this here. The HN guidelines make clear the kind of community we’re going for is one that resists provocation toward the uninteresting. In particular:
“Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.”
“Please don't sneer.”
“Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.”
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- tptacek 6y agoI'm sorry. Would you like to know more about why those two deserve each other? I'm happy to deploy more words.
- 3131s 6y agoSure, I'm so eager to hear you regurgitate whatever the NYT consensus is. Greenwald was on the right side of history regarding the Snowden revelations... but your own posts from that era, however, have not aged well.
- tptacek 6y agoI stand by basically everything I wrote back then, unlike Greenwald, who tried comically to weasel out of his PRISM writing, while later striking this "I've never been corrected or retracted" pose.
- bigdict 6y agoWhat's the gist?
- tptacek 6y agoThat both Taibbi and Greenwald have confidently reported out technical stories they were self-evidently not qualified to report, made huge mistakes, and doubled down on them, because truthiness and advocacy is more important to them than accuracy. They're both in their way like that Bloomberg reporter who reported the "Chinese spy chip on motherboards" story.
- bigdict 6y agoI'm a recent fan of both of these gentlemen so your comment is very interesting to me. Both seem to position themselves as journalists who value accuracy over advocacy… Could you point to an example of what you are describing?
- tptacek 6y agoI can't really get my head around people stanning Glenn Greenwald, who is both shrill and also a dull, tedious writer. I tend to think people are just giving him credit due property to Snowden (stipulate that Snowden deserves credit), and Greenwald's role in that whole thing was mostly to fuck it up. But I totally get why people stan Taibbi, who is an obviously gifted writer with a talent for making his advocacy entertaining. I think he's a force for evil, a liberal Ann Coulter, but I get why people like him.
- bigdict 6y agoGreenwald's writing does tend to be long-winded and repetitious, but I see both Taibbi and Greenwald as a force for good. They don't turn a blind eye to information unfavorable to either presidential candidate, even as it might be politically advantageous to do so. I've felt calmer and more centered since I started to read their writing. It's really therapeutic to be able to dissociate and laugh at both sides. I think Biden is a lesser evil, but I don't want to experience cognitive dissonance whenever I see likely evidence of his corruption. I'm still interested to see some corroboration of this claim: > both Taibbi and Greenwald have confidently reported out technical stories they were self-evidently not qualified to report, made huge mistakes, and doubled down on them, because truthiness and advocacy is more important to them than accuracy
- tptacek 6y agoTaibbi on the technical details of how the finance industry works, Greenwald on the technical issues of the Snowden disclosures. By comparison, good writers on technical finance issues: Matt Levine; the Snowden stuff: Barton Gellman.
- wglb 6y agoI didn't see the comment the way you did, apparently. In my mind, his comment doesn't go against the guidelines, but yours seems to not presume good faith. He has offered to amplify what he said.
- jccc 6y agoI don’t understand how his comment could be interpreted as having been made in bad faith — I’m sure he made it earnestly. I made my comment earnestly as well. I want HN to be the kind of community described by those guidelines, and comments like his work against that, all the more when coming from one of this forum’s most prominent members.
- alexilliamson 6y agoOut of all the comments in this thread, you chose this one to comment with HN guidelines?