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Matt Taibbi: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/glenn-greenwald-on-his-resignation https://taibbi.substack.com/p/glenn-greenwald-on-his-resigna...
by bigdict 6y ago
Matt Taibbi: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/glenn-greenwald-on-his-resignation https://taibbi.substack.com/p/glenn-greenwald-on-his-resigna...
- tptacek 6y agoThose two deserve each other.
- cambalache 6y agoAnd may that pair long continue fighting the good fight against hypocrites and charlatans
- messick 6y agoHopefully somewhere we never have to hear from either of them ever again.
- cambalache 6y agoSimilar words have been expressed by the most wretched tyrants of the history of humanity.
- tptacek 6y agoYes. Also by people with angry cats fucking in their back yards.
- cambalache 6y agoSo they show more strength of character than many self-appointed tech leaders. For sure I would prefer them as neighbors.
- tptacek 6y agoAnd for the low, low price of whatever Greenwald is going to charge for his lucrative substack, you can have him!
- watwut 6y agoThat is the problem with Taibibi, right? He "fights". He uses "jokes" to imply and push not exactly true statements. Mostly to insult opponents. Not really to engage or argue, just fight. He has sometimes good arguments. But plenty of times he does not, so he goes for second best thing to fight whoever he sees as opponenent.
- cambalache 6y agoFor all his sins Mark Taibbi (not Taibibi) has expressed his views in several books and lots of articles, I doubt all 6 books are nothing but insults. Look, the truth is there a big gap opened between center-leftists, people who like Hilary, Biden,BWS and all the mainstream democrats, and more progressive inquisitive , hardcore leftist branch like Taibbi or Rania Khalek who wont give a pass to the democrats just because they are "on their team". Like the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks of the Russian Revolution these 2 groups hate each other more vehemently than any right wing side, because they consider the other as traitors. A split is inevitable. All the rest huff and puff is just a front for this fundamental issue.
- watwut 6y agoI am not taking issue with his general ideological position. I am taking issue with his general style. Also, I am not taking issue with him not givig break to some people. He is not equal opportunity hit everyone kind of writer. He has friends and ennemies, gives massive benefit of doubt to ones and "attack" others. That would not be unusual, but it ridiculous to then frame him as fair one. I stopped reading him when I realized the jokes and insults based on made up things or insinuations that someone is ugly and general crap are more memorablable then his actual arguments. He is dismissive in funny way, but he is dismissing straw man all too often or just not actually having any argument beyond insult. I would rather remember latter then former.
- jccc 6y agoPlease don’t do this here. The HN guidelines make clear the kind of community we’re going for is one that resists provocation toward the uninteresting. In particular: “Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.” “Please don't sneer.” “Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.” https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- tptacek 6y agoI'm sorry. Would you like to know more about why those two deserve each other? I'm happy to deploy more words.
- 3131s 6y agoSure, I'm so eager to hear you regurgitate whatever the NYT consensus is. Greenwald was on the right side of history regarding the Snowden revelations... but your own posts from that era, however, have not aged well.
- tptacek 6y agoI stand by basically everything I wrote back then, unlike Greenwald, who tried comically to weasel out of his PRISM writing, while later striking this "I've never been corrected or retracted" pose.
- bigdict 6y agoWhat's the gist?
- tptacek 6y agoThat both Taibbi and Greenwald have confidently reported out technical stories they were self-evidently not qualified to report, made huge mistakes, and doubled down on them, because truthiness and advocacy is more important to them than accuracy. They're both in their way like that Bloomberg reporter who reported the "Chinese spy chip on motherboards" story.