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It's clear you've had experiences that have caused you to feel unsafe at times in your life. What's stopping you from having empathy for people that feel that w

It's clear you've had experiences that have caused you to feel unsafe at times in your life. What's stopping you from having empathy for people that feel that way currently? One aspect of this newfangled definition of safe is that women can feel confident existing in a space without fear of being sexually harassed. Is that worth considering? Is that a political game?

skinkestek 6y ago
> It's clear you've had experiences that have caused you to feel unsafe at times in your life. What's stopping you from having empathy for people that feel that way currently? That the current approach is playing right into the hands of the bullies. Or do you think it is the awkward ones who are sitting on the CoC tribunal? As far as I can see this is yet another place for the socially and politically strong ones to get their way. > One aspect of this newfangled definition of safe is that women can feel confident existing in a space without fear of being sexually harassed. Is that worth considering? Is that a political game? I'm absolutely fine with women feeling safe. In fact there are at least a couple of women around who are thankful because I have fixed them a job or something. (To be clear, I help everyone, not only women.) It is absolutely worth considering such things, which is why we (at least were I live) have laws against such things, and also why I am in favour of those laws. What I am not in favour of is independent kangaroo courts popping up everywhere, making up rules as they go, combining the role of judge, jury and executioner etc. Kangaroo courts are for war, and even then only when there's no other option.
- jawarner 6y ago
  > Or do you think it is the awkward ones who are sitting on the CoC tribunal? Would it be fair to say that you believe the majority of CoC reports are due to a misunderstanding of a well-intentioned behavior on the part of an awkward individual? If so, where does this idea come from? > It is absolutely worth considering such things, which is why we (at least were I live) have laws against such things, and also why I am in favour of those laws. To pursue something legally requires a formal legal process, evidence, lawyers, etc., and has strict penal consequences. Would you consider there is a need for a more informal process where the consequences is being kicked out of an event? > I'm absolutely fine with women feeling safe. But you aren't fine with an organization creating rules to help women feel safe. Why is it an abuse of power, acting as "judge, jury and executioner," to remove someone from an event or organization who causes women to feel uncomfortable?

skinkestek 6y ago

> It's clear you've had experiences that have caused you to feel unsafe at times in your life. What's stopping you from having empathy for people that feel that way currently? That the current approach is playing right into the hands of the bullies. Or do you think it is the awkward ones who are sitting on the CoC tribunal? As far as I can see this is yet another place for the socially and politically strong ones to get their way. > One aspect of this newfangled definition of safe is that women can feel confident existing in a space without fear of being sexually harassed. Is that worth considering? Is that a political game? I'm absolutely fine with women feeling safe. In fact there are at least a couple of women around who are thankful because I have fixed them a job or something. (To be clear, I help everyone, not only women.) It is absolutely worth considering such things, which is why we (at least were I live) have laws against such things, and also why I am in favour of those laws. What I am not in favour of is independent kangaroo courts popping up everywhere, making up rules as they go, combining the role of judge, jury and executioner etc. Kangaroo courts are for war, and even then only when there's no other option.

jawarner 6y ago
> Or do you think it is the awkward ones who are sitting on the CoC tribunal? Would it be fair to say that you believe the majority of CoC reports are due to a misunderstanding of a well-intentioned behavior on the part of an awkward individual? If so, where does this idea come from? > It is absolutely worth considering such things, which is why we (at least were I live) have laws against such things, and also why I am in favour of those laws. To pursue something legally requires a formal legal process, evidence, lawyers, etc., and has strict penal consequences. Would you consider there is a need for a more informal process where the consequences is being kicked out of an event? > I'm absolutely fine with women feeling safe. But you aren't fine with an organization creating rules to help women feel safe. Why is it an abuse of power, acting as "judge, jury and executioner," to remove someone from an event or organization who causes women to feel uncomfortable?