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My god. Get your shit together, America. How did you let it get so bad that conspiracies like these are believed by the mainstream? Edit: Jesus christ those re

My god. Get your shit together, America. How did you let it get so bad that conspiracies like these are believed by the mainstream? Edit: Jesus christ those replies. This is what I'm talking about. You're reaching North Korea levels of indoctrination.

skindoe 6y ago
Because they are true
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malandrew 6y ago
Maybe because whistleblowers like Snowden actually provided the world with tons of evidence that conspiracies like this are sometimes far from fiction.
- scrollaway 6y ago
  Or maybe because your company's been complicit in feeding high-engagement videos and content to users, indiscriminate to whether the type of engagement is toxic or the damage the videos do, sending those users into a vicious, cult-like rabbit hole and disconnecting them from reality. Or you'll have to remind me where Snowden, possibly the most thorough and careful whistleblower of the last century, talked about the "deep state" or any of that QAnon shit.
  - meowface 6y ago
    I think everyone's talking past each other. QAnon, "the Deep State", Snowden, Hunter Biden's emails, Twitter's censorship, and the media's non-reporting are all barely related, here. Let's maybe talk about things on a case-by-case, factual basis.
  - nl 6y ago
    Exactly this. The revelations with Snowden were in the details of things people already knew at a high level. People knew about the NSA's Echelon program, but didn't know things like how they tapped the un-encrypted intra-datacenter links.
StreamBright 6y ago
If this is a conspiracy then surely the Biden family started a lawsuit against Newyork Post, right? Easy money.
- admax88q 6y ago
  You say this like its a "gotcha." Surely you've heard of the Streisand effect? Imagine that you are in charge the the Biden campaign, and that the story is false. What action would you take? It looks like its not gaining traction on its own, would you really direct the public's attention back to it?
m0zg 6y ago
What "conspiracy theories". When Leslie Stahl [1] on 60 minutes says it's never been proven that the Trump campaign was spied on, that's deliberate journalistic malpractice. When Joe Biden is never asked about anything that could even remotely stymie his campaign, that's deliberate journalistic malpractice. When that malpractice covers _every single news outlet_ except Greenwald, Taibbi, and Tucker Carlson, that's a coordinated disinformation campaign. I'll let you draw your own conclusions, if you are able. [1]. https://www.bitchute.com/video/S55HwMyFjSP3/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/S55HwMyFjSP3/ - I'm not sure what made it into the on-air version. I only watched the side by side. Here's Greenwald's article that The Intercept censored, by the way: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-b... FYI, @scrollaway, here's Snowden referring to the Deep State, which you said he doesn't do. HN won't let me post, so I'll just edit. From Wikipedia: Former NSA leaker Edward Snowden has used the term generally to refer to the influence of civil servants over elected officials: "the deep state is not just the intelligence agencies, it is really a way of referring to the career bureaucracy of government. These are officials who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do, who watch presidents come and go ... they influence policy, they influence presidents." Let me remind you, he's in Russia because Joe Biden personally called half a dozen heads of state and threatened them with reprisals.
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- mturmon 6y ago
  Tucker Carlson? What a crock. He's now on TV claiming some agents of the Deep State are breaking in to his mail -- "the Deep State ate my exposé!"
  - m0zg 6y ago
    They gave it back once it became obvious there's more than one copy.
RonanTheGrey 6y ago
Are you claiming that Glenn Greenwald, one of the most respected journalists, is publishing a garbage article?
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  Respected by whom? Most of his fellow journalists consider him a crank, and his PRISM reporting exposed how bad he is at his job.
- pstuart 6y ago
  I am. The Burisma affair was genteel corruption and I don't care about it at this point, especially since the Senate majority didn't give AF about corruption that made that look quaint. Right now it's an existential referendum and if we choose survival we can return back to to such matters.
- scrollaway 6y ago
  I wasn't but I gladly will now that you ask. I used to have a lot of respect for Greenwald, it's been disappointing to see his evolution since the Snowden revelations. Anyway here's the intercept's response. Will you read it? https://static.theintercept.com/amp/glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept.html https://static.theintercept.com/amp/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...
  - tacLog 6y ago
    Wow, that was quiet a burn there at the end: "We have no doubt that Glenn will go on to launch a new media venture where he will face no collaboration with editors — such is the era of Substack and Patreon. In that context, it makes good business sense for Glenn to position himself as the last true guardian of investigative journalism and to smear his longtime colleagues and friends as partisan hacks." Honestly, coming from not known who ether party was in this before this hackernews post. The intercept comes off as in the wrong to me. However, I could be being manipulated. I am interested. Do you think these emails will come out as faked? I think even if they are real it doesn't change who should be president. But shouldn't we always be watching our elected leaders closely? What is the line between not publishing something because it is wrong and not publishing something because it might be true, but it goes too far against your beliefs.
DevKoala 6y ago
I also didn’t want to believe, but the amount of evidence is staggering and now there is an active FBI investigation. At the very least the press should report that.
- scrollaway 6y ago
  You know who actually has an endless amount of evidence of corruption, fraud, and general awfulness, and has had it for years, not a mere convenient pre-election period? Your current administration. If your country burns, it takes a lot of other countries with it. You'll understand that we actually want what's good for you.
  - DevKoala 6y ago
    What evidence? There was a dossier, which has been discredited as false. Inform yourself here, from one of the “trusted” sites that won’t even run the Hunter Biden story: https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-in-cyprus-was-behind-key-parts-of-discredited-dossier-on-trump-11603901989?reflink=share_mobilewebshare https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-in-cyprus-was-behind-ke...
mturmon 6y ago
I agree: this site, despite its many other good qualities, is a freaking disaster regarding these nonsense "censorship" claims, either regarding the NYPost story, or this one. All these BS stories are coming out right now, with days to go in the election, so that they can't be debunked and/or placed in context. It's "but what about her e-mails" all over again.
- scrollaway 6y ago
  I don't think it has anything to do with HN specifically, more to do with this bullshit reaching the mainstream. And HN is full of mainstream people (much as those same people would like to think they aren't).
p1necone 6y ago
It's bizarre. All these people have fallen hook line and sinker for blatantly obvious far right conspiracy nonsense, but I guess it's easier to see from the outside looking in?
- jungletime 6y ago
  How does a crack head son (lots of photos of him using) make 50k/month from a foreign energy company, without any energy experience.
  - p1necone 6y ago
    This crap has been investigated and debunked over and over again. Go somewhere else with your dishonest nonsense. Edit, relevant: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-...
    - jungletime 6y ago
      That story contradicts nothing I wrote. It actually borders on the ridiculous. Did AI fake the crack photos too? "Rosemont Seneca Bohai Morgan Stanley bank records show Hunter Biden, while simultaneously serving on Burisma’s board, received $708,302 between June 2014 and October 2015 from Rosemont Seneca Bohai, for undisclosed reasons, in a series of payments that ranged from $10,000 to $150,979 per month" https://checkyourfact.com/2019/10/17/fact-check-hunter-biden-ukraine-burisma-payments/ https://checkyourfact.com/2019/10/17/fact-check-hunter-biden... "FBI investigating Hunter Biden over money-laundering allegations: report" https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/fbi-investigating-hunter-biden-over-money-laundering-allegations-report/ https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/fbi-investigating-hunter-biden...

skindoe 6y ago

Because they are true

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malandrew 6y ago

Maybe because whistleblowers like Snowden actually provided the world with tons of evidence that conspiracies like this are sometimes far from fiction.

scrollaway 6y ago
Or maybe because your company's been complicit in feeding high-engagement videos and content to users, indiscriminate to whether the type of engagement is toxic or the damage the videos do, sending those users into a vicious, cult-like rabbit hole and disconnecting them from reality. Or you'll have to remind me where Snowden, possibly the most thorough and careful whistleblower of the last century, talked about the "deep state" or any of that QAnon shit.
- meowface 6y ago
  I think everyone's talking past each other. QAnon, "the Deep State", Snowden, Hunter Biden's emails, Twitter's censorship, and the media's non-reporting are all barely related, here. Let's maybe talk about things on a case-by-case, factual basis.
- nl 6y ago
  Exactly this. The revelations with Snowden were in the details of things people already knew at a high level. People knew about the NSA's Echelon program, but didn't know things like how they tapped the un-encrypted intra-datacenter links.

StreamBright 6y ago

If this is a conspiracy then surely the Biden family started a lawsuit against Newyork Post, right? Easy money.

admax88q 6y ago
You say this like its a "gotcha." Surely you've heard of the Streisand effect? Imagine that you are in charge the the Biden campaign, and that the story is false. What action would you take? It looks like its not gaining traction on its own, would you really direct the public's attention back to it?

m0zg 6y ago

What "conspiracy theories". When Leslie Stahl [1] on 60 minutes says it's never been proven that the Trump campaign was spied on, that's deliberate journalistic malpractice. When Joe Biden is never asked about anything that could even remotely stymie his campaign, that's deliberate journalistic malpractice. When that malpractice covers _every single news outlet_ except Greenwald, Taibbi, and Tucker Carlson, that's a coordinated disinformation campaign. I'll let you draw your own conclusions, if you are able. [1]. https://www.bitchute.com/video/S55HwMyFjSP3/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/S55HwMyFjSP3/ - I'm not sure what made it into the on-air version. I only watched the side by side. Here's Greenwald's article that The Intercept censored, by the way: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-b... FYI, @scrollaway, here's Snowden referring to the Deep State, which you said he doesn't do. HN won't let me post, so I'll just edit. From Wikipedia: Former NSA leaker Edward Snowden has used the term generally to refer to the influence of civil servants over elected officials: "the deep state is not just the intelligence agencies, it is really a way of referring to the career bureaucracy of government. These are officials who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do, who watch presidents come and go ... they influence policy, they influence presidents." Let me remind you, he's in Russia because Joe Biden personally called half a dozen heads of state and threatened them with reprisals.

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mturmon 6y ago
Tucker Carlson? What a crock. He's now on TV claiming some agents of the Deep State are breaking in to his mail -- "the Deep State ate my exposé!"
- m0zg 6y ago
  They gave it back once it became obvious there's more than one copy.

RonanTheGrey 6y ago

Are you claiming that Glenn Greenwald, one of the most respected journalists, is publishing a garbage article?

lern_too_spel 6y ago
Respected by whom? Most of his fellow journalists consider him a crank, and his PRISM reporting exposed how bad he is at his job.
pstuart 6y ago
I am. The Burisma affair was genteel corruption and I don't care about it at this point, especially since the Senate majority didn't give AF about corruption that made that look quaint. Right now it's an existential referendum and if we choose survival we can return back to to such matters.
scrollaway 6y ago
I wasn't but I gladly will now that you ask. I used to have a lot of respect for Greenwald, it's been disappointing to see his evolution since the Snowden revelations. Anyway here's the intercept's response. Will you read it? https://static.theintercept.com/amp/glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept.html https://static.theintercept.com/amp/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...
- tacLog 6y ago
  Wow, that was quiet a burn there at the end: "We have no doubt that Glenn will go on to launch a new media venture where he will face no collaboration with editors — such is the era of Substack and Patreon. In that context, it makes good business sense for Glenn to position himself as the last true guardian of investigative journalism and to smear his longtime colleagues and friends as partisan hacks." Honestly, coming from not known who ether party was in this before this hackernews post. The intercept comes off as in the wrong to me. However, I could be being manipulated. I am interested. Do you think these emails will come out as faked? I think even if they are real it doesn't change who should be president. But shouldn't we always be watching our elected leaders closely? What is the line between not publishing something because it is wrong and not publishing something because it might be true, but it goes too far against your beliefs.

DevKoala 6y ago

I also didn’t want to believe, but the amount of evidence is staggering and now there is an active FBI investigation. At the very least the press should report that.

scrollaway 6y ago
You know who actually has an endless amount of evidence of corruption, fraud, and general awfulness, and has had it for years, not a mere convenient pre-election period? Your current administration. If your country burns, it takes a lot of other countries with it. You'll understand that we actually want what's good for you.
- DevKoala 6y ago
  What evidence? There was a dossier, which has been discredited as false. Inform yourself here, from one of the “trusted” sites that won’t even run the Hunter Biden story: https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-in-cyprus-was-behind-key-parts-of-discredited-dossier-on-trump-11603901989?reflink=share_mobilewebshare https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-in-cyprus-was-behind-ke...

mturmon 6y ago

I agree: this site, despite its many other good qualities, is a freaking disaster regarding these nonsense "censorship" claims, either regarding the NYPost story, or this one. All these BS stories are coming out right now, with days to go in the election, so that they can't be debunked and/or placed in context. It's "but what about her e-mails" all over again.

scrollaway 6y ago
I don't think it has anything to do with HN specifically, more to do with this bullshit reaching the mainstream. And HN is full of mainstream people (much as those same people would like to think they aren't).

p1necone 6y ago

It's bizarre. All these people have fallen hook line and sinker for blatantly obvious far right conspiracy nonsense, but I guess it's easier to see from the outside looking in?

jungletime 6y ago
How does a crack head son (lots of photos of him using) make 50k/month from a foreign energy company, without any energy experience.
- p1necone 6y ago
  This crap has been investigated and debunked over and over again. Go somewhere else with your dishonest nonsense. Edit, relevant: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-...
  - jungletime 6y ago
    That story contradicts nothing I wrote. It actually borders on the ridiculous. Did AI fake the crack photos too? "Rosemont Seneca Bohai Morgan Stanley bank records show Hunter Biden, while simultaneously serving on Burisma’s board, received $708,302 between June 2014 and October 2015 from Rosemont Seneca Bohai, for undisclosed reasons, in a series of payments that ranged from $10,000 to $150,979 per month" https://checkyourfact.com/2019/10/17/fact-check-hunter-biden-ukraine-burisma-payments/ https://checkyourfact.com/2019/10/17/fact-check-hunter-biden... "FBI investigating Hunter Biden over money-laundering allegations: report" https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/fbi-investigating-hunter-biden-over-money-laundering-allegations-report/ https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/fbi-investigating-hunter-biden...