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> Now users have to learn GitHub and author raw HTML! Ignoring the fact Microsoft's Github has recently had DMCA insanity, a proprietary frontend, and recently

> Now users have to learn GitHub and author raw HTML! Ignoring the fact Microsoft's Github has recently had DMCA insanity, a proprietary frontend, and recently enforced Webcomponents (effectively removing UXP devs who were forced to self-host Gitea just to continue working)... this seems like Mozilla is trying to outsource as much as possible from their own hosting. They also shutdown Firefox Send. Perhaps Mozilla is having issues / unable afford their own hosting anymore?

kardos 6y ago
> They also shutdown Firefox Send. IIRC it was being abused and there was no way to combat that
- thesimon 6y ago
  Although I have a hard time believing they completely overlooked it when they were designing the service. If I think of serving user-generated/uploaded content, malware and copyright violations come directly to my mind.
tomcam 6y ago
Not trying to be inflammatory here. What does it matter if Microsoft has a proprietary front end for Github when all the docs are in markdown?
- blitblitblit 6y ago
  One example would be it is not possible to even make a PR request on Github as half the GUI no longer works in non-WebComponents browers. If it were open source we could perhaps see what WebComponent feature they think is missing and implement it in the browser engine, as it is they do not have any desire to collaborate and the black box makes it all the more difficult to debug. Github's response: "... further degradation is a likelihood. I appreciate that this is disappointing and frustrating for you..." - https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=202146#p202146 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=202146#p202146
  - JeremyBanks 6y ago
    If you've chosen to use a web browser that's forked from an old version of Firefox and isn't aiming for compatibility with modern Web Platform Tests, you're going to encounter a lot of obstacles. The fact that you can't see the server-side code generating the failing client-side code, which you can see, seems like the least of them.
    - wldcordeiro 6y ago
      Yeah pointing to what is essentially an issue only in a mostly unmaintained version of Firefox is really disingenuous and sounds like someone complaining about something not working on IE6.
      - boogies 6y ago
        Palemoon was last updated ~2,280 times more recently than IE6, and UXP is a Free and open platform used by more than one browser.
    - userbinator 6y ago
      What does creating a PR even need in terms of functionality? It's effectively nothing more than a big HTML form with some inputs, something that's been around and working perfectly fine in browsers for decades. The other comment here about how it's like complaining it does not work in IE6 is really pertinent: Yes it damn well should, because I should not need the latest technology just to do something that would've been perfectly possible with the technology of TWO DECADES AGO. It should be entirely possible to use GitHub with a text-based browser because none of its interactions require anything more than that. It's sad that I could probably write a more accessible interface in less time and resources, and I haven't even done much in the way of web development, yet dedicated web-developers with uninhibited trendchasing mentality will fuck it up so badly with this constant need for useless breaking changes. Seriously, fuck this "modern" bullshit. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23136688 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23136688 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19664509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19664509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18486124 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18486124
JeremyBanks 6y ago
What is UXP, and how is it affected by GitHub's decision to use WebComponents in their frontend?
syshum 6y ago
Well given they laid off a Huge number of people while containing to pay their Executive HUGE salaries it seems their priorities is not on product development at all Sadly I think we are seeing Mozilla go the way of Netscape, and I would not be surprised if they sell off all the IP to someone soon or just make FireFox yet another Chromium Skin

kardos 6y ago

> They also shutdown Firefox Send. IIRC it was being abused and there was no way to combat that

thesimon 6y ago
Although I have a hard time believing they completely overlooked it when they were designing the service. If I think of serving user-generated/uploaded content, malware and copyright violations come directly to my mind.

tomcam 6y ago

Not trying to be inflammatory here. What does it matter if Microsoft has a proprietary front end for Github when all the docs are in markdown?

blitblitblit 6y ago
One example would be it is not possible to even make a PR request on Github as half the GUI no longer works in non-WebComponents browers. If it were open source we could perhaps see what WebComponent feature they think is missing and implement it in the browser engine, as it is they do not have any desire to collaborate and the black box makes it all the more difficult to debug. Github's response: "... further degradation is a likelihood. I appreciate that this is disappointing and frustrating for you..." - https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=202146#p202146 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=202146#p202146
- JeremyBanks 6y ago
  If you've chosen to use a web browser that's forked from an old version of Firefox and isn't aiming for compatibility with modern Web Platform Tests, you're going to encounter a lot of obstacles. The fact that you can't see the server-side code generating the failing client-side code, which you can see, seems like the least of them.
  - wldcordeiro 6y ago
    Yeah pointing to what is essentially an issue only in a mostly unmaintained version of Firefox is really disingenuous and sounds like someone complaining about something not working on IE6.
    - boogies 6y ago
      Palemoon was last updated ~2,280 times more recently than IE6, and UXP is a Free and open platform used by more than one browser.
  - userbinator 6y ago
    What does creating a PR even need in terms of functionality? It's effectively nothing more than a big HTML form with some inputs, something that's been around and working perfectly fine in browsers for decades. The other comment here about how it's like complaining it does not work in IE6 is really pertinent: Yes it damn well should, because I should not need the latest technology just to do something that would've been perfectly possible with the technology of TWO DECADES AGO. It should be entirely possible to use GitHub with a text-based browser because none of its interactions require anything more than that. It's sad that I could probably write a more accessible interface in less time and resources, and I haven't even done much in the way of web development, yet dedicated web-developers with uninhibited trendchasing mentality will fuck it up so badly with this constant need for useless breaking changes. Seriously, fuck this "modern" bullshit. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23136688 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23136688 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19664509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19664509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18486124 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18486124

JeremyBanks 6y ago

What is UXP, and how is it affected by GitHub's decision to use WebComponents in their frontend?

syshum 6y ago

Well given they laid off a Huge number of people while containing to pay their Executive HUGE salaries it seems their priorities is not on product development at all Sadly I think we are seeing Mozilla go the way of Netscape, and I would not be surprised if they sell off all the IP to someone soon or just make FireFox yet another Chromium Skin