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>If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "le

>If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is right". Occhams razor: Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond the pale when it comes to accurate journalism so it begs the question: What is Glen reporting that an editor finds so 'garbage' as to risk their entire future career on censoring this man?

epistasis 6y ago
After the past few years, I do not share that assessment of Greenwald in the least. Following him on Twitter for a while caused the scales to fall from my eyes. I think he's done some good things in the past, but currently he seems off his rocker, honesty. People can change as they age, and I think he clearly has.
- kaesar14 6y ago
  Can you elaborate?
  - SamBam 6y ago
    He has stuck by his claim -- despite the findings of numerous national and international intelligence community investigations and even a Republican senate investigations -- that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. And despite his founding of the Intercept in part to investigate abuses by people in power (and his constant criticism that the press never publishes negative articles about people on their side) he has never written a single article critical of any of the abuses of power by the Trump administration. Not a single article critical of anything Trump has done in the past four years. [1] 1. All articles: https://muckrack.com/ggreenwald/articles https://muckrack.com/ggreenwald/articles
    - skindoe 6y ago
      Define "interfere" what specifically did Russia do and how did that quantitatively effect the election results. I'm willing to put serious money down that the vast majority of people like yourself can't answer that question without linking to an op ed piece. Come on people we're engineers think about it... Ask yourself why that is.
    - Nacdor 6y ago
      > He has stuck by his claim -- despite the findings of numerous national and international intelligence community investigations and even a Republican senate investigations -- that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. I think you're grossly misrepresenting his opinion on the matter. No one denies that Russia made some half-assed attempts to influence the election. Every country tries to interfere in every election. Hell, we even bragged about it at times: http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html Even Biden himself brags about interfering in the affairs of other governments: https://youtu.be/FdHWU5jDQ2w?t=46 https://youtu.be/FdHWU5jDQ2w?t=46 But did Russia conspire with the Trump campaign to rig the election or provide dirt on Hillary Clinton? No, and he's right for standing by that claim despite the immense pressure from partisan hacks who have effectively smeared him as some kind of Russian puppet. Your post is evidence of how effective that smear campaign has been.
    - kaesar14 6y ago
      It's just good foreign policy to meddle in the internal affairs of your biggest international rivals. Do you think the paranoid and allknowing American government doesn't do the exact same thing? Greenwald's position has ALWAYS been Russiagate was overblown nonsense. And I agree.
  - rodgerd 6y ago
    His unflagging support for Aaron Coleman doesn't phase you?
    - kaesar14 6y ago
      Not really. The adult behavior of Democrat politicians bother me far more than the behavior of a 12 year old. I was a bad kid when I was 12. What matters is who we become as adults and what ideals we champion then.
- some-guy 6y ago
  I followed him on Twitter due to my respect of his earlier journalism work, and I agree completely. I'm not sure he's changed though, and I think that's kind of the problem--all of his tweets stem from holding a grudge the old neoliberal guard of the 2000s onward, while getting some kind of high off of the chaos that the Trump administration introduced into the political establishment (not just to Democrats).
  - epistasis 6y ago
    I think you may be right. People are always a mix, and can produce really great things even if they don't always have the best judgement. Just got to get it right some of the time to make a good contribution.
ptmcc 6y ago
> his character is beyond the pale I don't think this means what you think it means. You just insulted his character, not praised it.
- mikeyouse 6y ago
  Probably meant beyond reproach - but yep.
kev_da_dev 6y ago
Someone with half a brain cell actually responds ^
- starkd 6y ago
  please, stop with the insults. This is unseemly.
starkd 6y ago
It's amusing to see people on the left arguing against open debate. Don't they realize this is what leads to fascism? You can oppose at the front door, but it can easily sneak in the backdoor.
- xref 6y ago
  From your posts in this thread it’s obvious you’re not commenting in good faith, and again here have made a strawman. There’s nobody here arguing against open debate. The Intercept decided an article fell below their journalistic standards and chose not to publish it. That only leaves ninety-million other places for Glen to publish it, and by his own admission he has this right.
  - starkd 6y ago
    That's a big charge to say someone's not commenting in good faith. Kind of insulting. I'm commenting the way I see it. Suppressing a story is kind of the very antithesis of open debate. And its not just the Intercept, this is a pattern across like-minded partisan media. I understand you don't like the story - which is fine - but, please, just don't say I'm operating in bad faith.
stumblers 6y ago
I think Glen Greenwald was one of the more respected journalists but isn't any longer. I think he either has crossed over or will soon cross over into Seymour Hersh territory (sadly). Mr. Hersh was an amazing investigative journalist that made a huge difference in how we can keep gov't accountable but has ended up (largely) a discredited hack, which is a shame.
- yasp 6y ago
  What discredited Sy Hersh?
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bin-laden https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bi... > In recent years, however, Hersh has appeared increasingly to have gone off the rails. His stories, often alleging vast and shadowy conspiracies, have made startling — and often internally inconsistent — accusations, based on little or no proof beyond a handful of anonymous "officials."
  - warkdarrior 6y ago
    From Wikipedia: "Critics have described Hersh as a conspiracy theorist, in particular for his rejection of official claims regarding the killing of Osama Bin Laden and his rejection that the Assad regime used chemical weapons on Syrian civilians." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#Criticism_and_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#Criticism_and_co...
    - tomp 6y ago
      How come that people still take accusations of "conspiracy theorist" seriously, when so many have proven to be true (e.g. "NSA is spying on everybody" and "elite rich people pedophile ring")??
brians 6y ago
How come Marcy Wheeler and others have so many criticisms of the accuracy and sourcing of his journalism?
happytoexplain 6y ago
>Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond [reproach] This isn't my experience at all, at least not for many years (speaking both in terms of my own opinion of his writing and the apparent opinions of others).
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. I don't think that's all that true. Glenn Greenwald is extremely popular with a particular political faction, which is itself particularly unpopular. > his character is beyond the pale Probably not what you intend: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beyond_the_pale https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beyond_the_pale
watwut 6y ago
I don't know. I respected him highly after Snowden and I still think he handled it greatly. But then, I lost a lot of that respect mostly due to reading his tweet feed. It mostly kind of ceased to be worth following and at times he seemed to be in perpetual rage combined with sort of "I wish this to be true so it must be".

epistasis 6y ago

After the past few years, I do not share that assessment of Greenwald in the least. Following him on Twitter for a while caused the scales to fall from my eyes. I think he's done some good things in the past, but currently he seems off his rocker, honesty. People can change as they age, and I think he clearly has.

kaesar14 6y ago
Can you elaborate?
- SamBam 6y ago
  He has stuck by his claim -- despite the findings of numerous national and international intelligence community investigations and even a Republican senate investigations -- that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. And despite his founding of the Intercept in part to investigate abuses by people in power (and his constant criticism that the press never publishes negative articles about people on their side) he has never written a single article critical of any of the abuses of power by the Trump administration. Not a single article critical of anything Trump has done in the past four years. [1] 1. All articles: https://muckrack.com/ggreenwald/articles https://muckrack.com/ggreenwald/articles
  - skindoe 6y ago
    Define "interfere" what specifically did Russia do and how did that quantitatively effect the election results. I'm willing to put serious money down that the vast majority of people like yourself can't answer that question without linking to an op ed piece. Come on people we're engineers think about it... Ask yourself why that is.
  - Nacdor 6y ago
    > He has stuck by his claim -- despite the findings of numerous national and international intelligence community investigations and even a Republican senate investigations -- that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. I think you're grossly misrepresenting his opinion on the matter. No one denies that Russia made some half-assed attempts to influence the election. Every country tries to interfere in every election. Hell, we even bragged about it at times: http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html Even Biden himself brags about interfering in the affairs of other governments: https://youtu.be/FdHWU5jDQ2w?t=46 https://youtu.be/FdHWU5jDQ2w?t=46 But did Russia conspire with the Trump campaign to rig the election or provide dirt on Hillary Clinton? No, and he's right for standing by that claim despite the immense pressure from partisan hacks who have effectively smeared him as some kind of Russian puppet. Your post is evidence of how effective that smear campaign has been.
  - kaesar14 6y ago
    It's just good foreign policy to meddle in the internal affairs of your biggest international rivals. Do you think the paranoid and allknowing American government doesn't do the exact same thing? Greenwald's position has ALWAYS been Russiagate was overblown nonsense. And I agree.
- rodgerd 6y ago
  His unflagging support for Aaron Coleman doesn't phase you?
  - kaesar14 6y ago
    Not really. The adult behavior of Democrat politicians bother me far more than the behavior of a 12 year old. I was a bad kid when I was 12. What matters is who we become as adults and what ideals we champion then.
some-guy 6y ago
I followed him on Twitter due to my respect of his earlier journalism work, and I agree completely. I'm not sure he's changed though, and I think that's kind of the problem--all of his tweets stem from holding a grudge the old neoliberal guard of the 2000s onward, while getting some kind of high off of the chaos that the Trump administration introduced into the political establishment (not just to Democrats).
- epistasis 6y ago
  I think you may be right. People are always a mix, and can produce really great things even if they don't always have the best judgement. Just got to get it right some of the time to make a good contribution.

ptmcc 6y ago

> his character is beyond the pale I don't think this means what you think it means. You just insulted his character, not praised it.

mikeyouse 6y ago
Probably meant beyond reproach - but yep.

kev_da_dev 6y ago

Someone with half a brain cell actually responds ^

starkd 6y ago
please, stop with the insults. This is unseemly.

starkd 6y ago

It's amusing to see people on the left arguing against open debate. Don't they realize this is what leads to fascism? You can oppose at the front door, but it can easily sneak in the backdoor.

xref 6y ago
From your posts in this thread it’s obvious you’re not commenting in good faith, and again here have made a strawman. There’s nobody here arguing against open debate. The Intercept decided an article fell below their journalistic standards and chose not to publish it. That only leaves ninety-million other places for Glen to publish it, and by his own admission he has this right.
- starkd 6y ago
  That's a big charge to say someone's not commenting in good faith. Kind of insulting. I'm commenting the way I see it. Suppressing a story is kind of the very antithesis of open debate. And its not just the Intercept, this is a pattern across like-minded partisan media. I understand you don't like the story - which is fine - but, please, just don't say I'm operating in bad faith.

stumblers 6y ago

I think Glen Greenwald was one of the more respected journalists but isn't any longer. I think he either has crossed over or will soon cross over into Seymour Hersh territory (sadly). Mr. Hersh was an amazing investigative journalist that made a huge difference in how we can keep gov't accountable but has ended up (largely) a discredited hack, which is a shame.

yasp 6y ago
What discredited Sy Hersh?
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bin-laden https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bi... > In recent years, however, Hersh has appeared increasingly to have gone off the rails. His stories, often alleging vast and shadowy conspiracies, have made startling — and often internally inconsistent — accusations, based on little or no proof beyond a handful of anonymous "officials."
- warkdarrior 6y ago
  From Wikipedia: "Critics have described Hersh as a conspiracy theorist, in particular for his rejection of official claims regarding the killing of Osama Bin Laden and his rejection that the Assad regime used chemical weapons on Syrian civilians." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#Criticism_and_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#Criticism_and_co...
  - tomp 6y ago
    How come that people still take accusations of "conspiracy theorist" seriously, when so many have proven to be true (e.g. "NSA is spying on everybody" and "elite rich people pedophile ring")??

brians 6y ago

How come Marcy Wheeler and others have so many criticisms of the accuracy and sourcing of his journalism?

happytoexplain 6y ago

>Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond [reproach] This isn't my experience at all, at least not for many years (speaking both in terms of my own opinion of his writing and the apparent opinions of others).

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. I don't think that's all that true. Glenn Greenwald is extremely popular with a particular political faction, which is itself particularly unpopular. > his character is beyond the pale Probably not what you intend: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beyond_the_pale https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beyond_the_pale

watwut 6y ago

I don't know. I respected him highly after Snowden and I still think he handled it greatly. But then, I lost a lot of that respect mostly due to reading his tweet feed. It mostly kind of ceased to be worth following and at times he seemed to be in perpetual rage combined with sort of "I wish this to be true so it must be".