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If the entire editorial team and his peers rejected it, it seems pretty clear.

by nojito 6y ago

whimsicalism 6y ago
I will reserve judgement until reading the article. Greenwald has certainly had his share of garbage takes, but also can have a quite refreshingly honest perspective.
tomp 6y ago
Vs someone with the history of journalistic integrity and clout as Greenwald, there's no doubt in my mind whom I'd trust more on their opinion (btw: it's not the New York editorial elite).
jtbayly 6y ago
Yep. Just like the entire team of conference organizers decided that there was a code of conduct violation. No doubt about it. He's guilty. I don't need to evaluate any evidence to know that. It's obvious.
ping_pong 6y ago
There was an almost mutiny from the NYT when they published Tom Cotton's article in their op-ed, which forced the editor to resign. They couldn't bear hearing from the other side, and this is just another example of the same mentality. This is exactly what Greenwald and Tabbiti have been reporting about, the fascist left censoring or wanting to censor the news to only those opinions that they want to hear. EDIT: For the record, I'm "center-left". When I say fascist left, I mean the extreme left who believe that anyone who disagrees with them is the enemy. Unfortunately this belief is spreading more and more amongst the left, but I still believe there are a lot of moderate, even-headed left but the conversation is being dominated by the fascist left.
- ghayes 6y ago
  The use of terms like "the fascist left" makes it harder to appreciate the merits of statements like this. Also, the phrase is a bit oxymoronic as fascism is, specifically, a conservative ideology.
  - starkd 6y ago
    Nobody really knows what fascism is. It's more of an excuse to make up the rules as you go along to obtain a certain objective. Both left and right are susceptible to it. That's why we need transparency and a free and open press.
    - CogentHedgehog 6y ago
      > Nobody really knows what fascism is. It's more of an excuse to make up the rules as you go along to obtain a certain objective. Both left and right are susceptible to it. This really only serves to muddy the waters. There are a few clear and well-recognized definitions of fascism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#By_scholars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#By_scho... There may be some differences, but they very clearly describe the same set of core traits.
      - starkd 6y ago
        My point was that its not a "left" or "right" phenomenon. The political extremes tend to resemble one another as they are willing to forego principles such as free speech in order to suppress political opponents. Everyone should be very weary of this. We can survive Trump, what we can't survive is a press that feels the need to censor content. If they get away with it, they will use it again and again.
        CogentHedgehog 6y ago
        That's not true either though. Fascism is by definition a right-wing form of authoritarianism, because of how it uses class divides to build its political power. The corresponding left-wing authoritarianism would be "leftist populism", "Stalinism", or some other term. What you're describing is called Horseshoe Theory, and it's not well-supported by evidence. Right-wing and left-wing populism have a few things in common (authoritarianism primarily), but have much larger differences than similarities. I will point out that attacks on a free press ARE a clear sign of authoritarian regimes. I would encourage you to take a look at the history of the German word "Lügenpresse" (literally "lying press"). Especially take note if you see similar things being said about the modern media -- and which groups are saying it.
- rat87 6y ago
  Not publishing an editorial calling for an authoritarian crackdown is facism now?
- deleted 6y ago
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starkd 6y ago
Greenwald was the founder of the outfit. I would think weight would be given to senior editors judgment.
albroland 6y ago
The same editorial team and peers that tried to get Lee Fang fired for having the audacity to interview actual residents in areas where rioting was happening?

If the entire editorial team and his peers rejected it, it seems pretty clear.

by nojito 6y ago

If the entire editorial team and his peers rejected it, it seems pretty clear.

I will reserve judgement until reading the article. Greenwald has certainly had his share of garbage takes, but also can have a quite refreshingly honest perspective.

tomp 6y ago

Vs someone with the history of journalistic integrity and clout as Greenwald, there's no doubt in my mind whom I'd trust more on their opinion (btw: it's not the New York editorial elite).

jtbayly 6y ago

Yep. Just like the entire team of conference organizers decided that there was a code of conduct violation. No doubt about it. He's guilty. I don't need to evaluate any evidence to know that. It's obvious.

ping_pong 6y ago

There was an almost mutiny from the NYT when they published Tom Cotton's article in their op-ed, which forced the editor to resign. They couldn't bear hearing from the other side, and this is just another example of the same mentality. This is exactly what Greenwald and Tabbiti have been reporting about, the fascist left censoring or wanting to censor the news to only those opinions that they want to hear. EDIT: For the record, I'm "center-left". When I say fascist left, I mean the extreme left who believe that anyone who disagrees with them is the enemy. Unfortunately this belief is spreading more and more amongst the left, but I still believe there are a lot of moderate, even-headed left but the conversation is being dominated by the fascist left.

ghayes 6y ago
The use of terms like "the fascist left" makes it harder to appreciate the merits of statements like this. Also, the phrase is a bit oxymoronic as fascism is, specifically, a conservative ideology.
- starkd 6y ago
  Nobody really knows what fascism is. It's more of an excuse to make up the rules as you go along to obtain a certain objective. Both left and right are susceptible to it. That's why we need transparency and a free and open press.
  - CogentHedgehog 6y ago
    > Nobody really knows what fascism is. It's more of an excuse to make up the rules as you go along to obtain a certain objective. Both left and right are susceptible to it. This really only serves to muddy the waters. There are a few clear and well-recognized definitions of fascism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#By_scholars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#By_scho... There may be some differences, but they very clearly describe the same set of core traits.
    - starkd 6y ago
      My point was that its not a "left" or "right" phenomenon. The political extremes tend to resemble one another as they are willing to forego principles such as free speech in order to suppress political opponents. Everyone should be very weary of this. We can survive Trump, what we can't survive is a press that feels the need to censor content. If they get away with it, they will use it again and again.
      - CogentHedgehog 6y ago
        That's not true either though. Fascism is by definition a right-wing form of authoritarianism, because of how it uses class divides to build its political power. The corresponding left-wing authoritarianism would be "leftist populism", "Stalinism", or some other term. What you're describing is called Horseshoe Theory, and it's not well-supported by evidence. Right-wing and left-wing populism have a few things in common (authoritarianism primarily), but have much larger differences than similarities. I will point out that attacks on a free press ARE a clear sign of authoritarian regimes. I would encourage you to take a look at the history of the German word "Lügenpresse" (literally "lying press"). Especially take note if you see similar things being said about the modern media -- and which groups are saying it.
rat87 6y ago
Not publishing an editorial calling for an authoritarian crackdown is facism now?
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starkd 6y ago

Greenwald was the founder of the outfit. I would think weight would be given to senior editors judgment.

albroland 6y ago

The same editorial team and peers that tried to get Lee Fang fired for having the audacity to interview actual residents in areas where rioting was happening?