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Oh many people know it’s coming, and have simply accepted there is nothing that can be done. Solutions that require the cooperation of the entire human race wi

by xwdv 6y ago

Oh many people know it’s coming, and have simply accepted there is nothing that can be done. Solutions that require the cooperation of the entire human race will never work, yet that is what keeps being pushed upon us. The only real thing that can save us is for a small group to come up with some kind of technology that can make sweeping changes on a massive geological scale and ultimately reverse global warming without humanity having to do anything. People aren’t going to change their lifestyles to save the world. Many people don’t even change their lifestyles to save themselves when it becomes medically necessary. Personally, I’ve come to accept this is the end. If I must die to global warming, at least it will be an interesting death, I could have been shot and killed by a mugger or killed in a car crash instead.

jdmichal 6y ago
> I could have been shot and killed by a mugger... Don't get excited yet. Roving bands of raiders is still a potential outcome of climate change.
0xdde 6y ago
> The only real thing that can save us is for a small group to come up with some kind of technology that can make sweeping changes on a massive geological scale and ultimately reverse global warming without humanity having to do anything. Or, you know, fixing the US political process so that a handful of ideologues aren't in a position to ignore popular sentiment and derail even the mildest form of action.
- deleted 6y ago
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- mym1990 6y ago
  I would argue that the former is easier than the latter.
- umanwizard 6y ago
  > fixing the US political process Do you have a suggestion for how to do this?
- rufus_foreman 6y ago
  Popular sentiment can be summed up as "I want something done about global warming as long as it costs me almost nothing": "But the AP survey also showed that Americans don’t want to pay very much to fight climate change. A $1 per month fee was favored by 57 percent of those surveyed. However, if the monthly charge increased to $10 a month, just 28 percent would be supportive, while 68 percent would be opposed." If you're talking about any sort of climate regulation that costs the average tax payer more than a few dollars a month, it isn't a handful of ideologues that are stopping you, it's the electorate.
eloff 6y ago
> Personally, I’ve come to accept this is the end. If I must die to global warming, at least it will be an interesting death. Not to prove the OP's point about climate change denial. But that's overly pessimistic. Climate change is a slow motion train wreck. Things will slowly, steadily, exponentially get worse. But you probably won't be alive to notice the worst of it. 200 years from now, things will look extremely different. And we'll be lucky if we've managed to ride through all the changes and migrations and potentially famines without starting a dreadful war and blowing ourselves up with these delightful world-ending stockpiles of nuclear weapons. I'm really starting to think the answer to the Fermi paradox is there's a great filter and it lies in front of us. Technological civilizations wipe themselves out because they unlock powerful technologies before developing the wisdom to control them. Happy Thursday everyone!
- ancientworldnow 6y ago
  The UN and IPCC estimates there will be up to a billion climate refugees by 2050 so your dates and predictions are off by quite a bit.
  - eloff 6y ago
    If things are truly that bad in 30 years when temperature is only a fraction of a degree warmer and sea level has barely moved - imagine how fucked we are in 200 years when polar melting is advanced, sea levels are many meters higher and temperatures are 4 degrees or more warmer than today. I don't buy that claim though, it's hard to believe you could have a billion refugees with such tiny changes. We've already changed more than that since 1900 and there aren't a billion climate refugees. Why is the next half a degree of warming so much worse? I'd need to see what they base that estimate on.
    - delecti 6y ago
      >Why is the next half a degree of warming so much worse? A 3 degree F fever is okay with some bedrest and ibuprofen, but a 6 degree F fever can kill you. There are breaking points in every system. Half the stress of a breaking point is usually fine.
markdown 6y ago
> Solutions that require the cooperation of the entire human race will never work, yet that is what keeps being pushed upon us. USA and Australia are the only two developed nations that continue to deny climate change. The entire world signed the Paris Agreement. While the USA slowly is slowly led into international irrelevance by the Republican Party, China just joined South Korea, and Japan in pledging to be carbon neutral by 2050.
- newfriend 6y ago
  The Paris Agreement is non-binding, virtue-signaling nonsense, thankfully we withdrew from it. > While the USA slowly is slowly led into international irrelevance by the Republican Party Anti-US, Anti-Republican bias is becoming very tiresome.
  - markdown 6y ago
    > The Paris Agreement is non-binding, virtue-signaling nonsense "non-binding, virtue-signaling nonsense" is a politician's wet dream. If it made the US look good without actually requiring them to do anything, why did Trump withdraw? Do you even logic? > Anti-US, Anti-Republican bias is becoming very tiresome. In that case, make sure you go out and vote. You can help MAGA by voting out the buffoon currently leading that nation. As a bonus, a republican party without Trump and the white supremacists he emboldened would be a party more people will find palatable.
    - newfriend 6y ago
      > "non-binding, virtue-signaling nonsense" is a politician's wet dream. If it made the US look good without actually requiring them to do anything, why did Trump withdraw? Do you even logic? This is the problem, you value appearances over reality. > In that case, make sure you go out and vote. No problem, already voted for Trump. > You can help MAGA by voting out the buffoon currently leading that nation. As a bonus, a republican party without Trump and the white supremacists he emboldened would be a party more people will find palatable. Oh no! Emboldening muh white supremacists, aka literally nothing. I think you're consuming far too much biased media from wherever you are in the world. If you're looking for problems in the US currently, look no further than the endless looting and rioting by left-wing agitators, not some bogeyman white supremacist lurking about. > would be a party more people will find palatable. You mean a party which a Democrat would find palatable, no thanks. I had no love for Republicans until Trump came along. The best part about Trump is that he doesn't simply bend over whenever met with criticism. I recall Bush, McCain, Romney all being called Nazis at some point. These attacks no longer hold any meaning. On another note, it would be nice if foreigners like you would stop trying to influence the US election.
polishdude20 6y ago
In a way, global warming will probably increase your chances of being shot by a nugget or killed in a car crash. Global warming happens, mass immigration increases, poverty increases, crime increases and book, you've just been shot by a mugger.
- xwdv 6y ago
  All that misery just to be shot by a mugger after all. Wow...
ojbyrne 6y ago
150 years ago there were no cars, and no roads to speak of. Now I’m pretty sure every country on the planet has cars and roads. Try and find a pay phone in 2020. In 1980 they were everywhere. The human race cooperates via market mechanisms. Those need to adjust to reflect the costs of global warming.

by xwdv 6y ago

jdmichal 6y ago

> I could have been shot and killed by a mugger... Don't get excited yet. Roving bands of raiders is still a potential outcome of climate change.

0xdde 6y ago

> The only real thing that can save us is for a small group to come up with some kind of technology that can make sweeping changes on a massive geological scale and ultimately reverse global warming without humanity having to do anything. Or, you know, fixing the US political process so that a handful of ideologues aren't in a position to ignore popular sentiment and derail even the mildest form of action.

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mym1990 6y ago
I would argue that the former is easier than the latter.
umanwizard 6y ago
> fixing the US political process Do you have a suggestion for how to do this?
rufus_foreman 6y ago
Popular sentiment can be summed up as "I want something done about global warming as long as it costs me almost nothing": "But the AP survey also showed that Americans don’t want to pay very much to fight climate change. A $1 per month fee was favored by 57 percent of those surveyed. However, if the monthly charge increased to $10 a month, just 28 percent would be supportive, while 68 percent would be opposed." If you're talking about any sort of climate regulation that costs the average tax payer more than a few dollars a month, it isn't a handful of ideologues that are stopping you, it's the electorate.

eloff 6y ago

> Personally, I’ve come to accept this is the end. If I must die to global warming, at least it will be an interesting death. Not to prove the OP's point about climate change denial. But that's overly pessimistic. Climate change is a slow motion train wreck. Things will slowly, steadily, exponentially get worse. But you probably won't be alive to notice the worst of it. 200 years from now, things will look extremely different. And we'll be lucky if we've managed to ride through all the changes and migrations and potentially famines without starting a dreadful war and blowing ourselves up with these delightful world-ending stockpiles of nuclear weapons. I'm really starting to think the answer to the Fermi paradox is there's a great filter and it lies in front of us. Technological civilizations wipe themselves out because they unlock powerful technologies before developing the wisdom to control them. Happy Thursday everyone!

ancientworldnow 6y ago
The UN and IPCC estimates there will be up to a billion climate refugees by 2050 so your dates and predictions are off by quite a bit.
- eloff 6y ago
  If things are truly that bad in 30 years when temperature is only a fraction of a degree warmer and sea level has barely moved - imagine how fucked we are in 200 years when polar melting is advanced, sea levels are many meters higher and temperatures are 4 degrees or more warmer than today. I don't buy that claim though, it's hard to believe you could have a billion refugees with such tiny changes. We've already changed more than that since 1900 and there aren't a billion climate refugees. Why is the next half a degree of warming so much worse? I'd need to see what they base that estimate on.
  - delecti 6y ago
    >Why is the next half a degree of warming so much worse? A 3 degree F fever is okay with some bedrest and ibuprofen, but a 6 degree F fever can kill you. There are breaking points in every system. Half the stress of a breaking point is usually fine.

markdown 6y ago

> Solutions that require the cooperation of the entire human race will never work, yet that is what keeps being pushed upon us. USA and Australia are the only two developed nations that continue to deny climate change. The entire world signed the Paris Agreement. While the USA slowly is slowly led into international irrelevance by the Republican Party, China just joined South Korea, and Japan in pledging to be carbon neutral by 2050.

newfriend 6y ago
The Paris Agreement is non-binding, virtue-signaling nonsense, thankfully we withdrew from it. > While the USA slowly is slowly led into international irrelevance by the Republican Party Anti-US, Anti-Republican bias is becoming very tiresome.
- markdown 6y ago
  > The Paris Agreement is non-binding, virtue-signaling nonsense "non-binding, virtue-signaling nonsense" is a politician's wet dream. If it made the US look good without actually requiring them to do anything, why did Trump withdraw? Do you even logic? > Anti-US, Anti-Republican bias is becoming very tiresome. In that case, make sure you go out and vote. You can help MAGA by voting out the buffoon currently leading that nation. As a bonus, a republican party without Trump and the white supremacists he emboldened would be a party more people will find palatable.
  - newfriend 6y ago
    > "non-binding, virtue-signaling nonsense" is a politician's wet dream. If it made the US look good without actually requiring them to do anything, why did Trump withdraw? Do you even logic? This is the problem, you value appearances over reality. > In that case, make sure you go out and vote. No problem, already voted for Trump. > You can help MAGA by voting out the buffoon currently leading that nation. As a bonus, a republican party without Trump and the white supremacists he emboldened would be a party more people will find palatable. Oh no! Emboldening muh white supremacists, aka literally nothing. I think you're consuming far too much biased media from wherever you are in the world. If you're looking for problems in the US currently, look no further than the endless looting and rioting by left-wing agitators, not some bogeyman white supremacist lurking about. > would be a party more people will find palatable. You mean a party which a Democrat would find palatable, no thanks. I had no love for Republicans until Trump came along. The best part about Trump is that he doesn't simply bend over whenever met with criticism. I recall Bush, McCain, Romney all being called Nazis at some point. These attacks no longer hold any meaning. On another note, it would be nice if foreigners like you would stop trying to influence the US election.

polishdude20 6y ago

In a way, global warming will probably increase your chances of being shot by a nugget or killed in a car crash. Global warming happens, mass immigration increases, poverty increases, crime increases and book, you've just been shot by a mugger.

xwdv 6y ago
All that misery just to be shot by a mugger after all. Wow...

ojbyrne 6y ago

150 years ago there were no cars, and no roads to speak of. Now I’m pretty sure every country on the planet has cars and roads. Try and find a pay phone in 2020. In 1980 they were everywhere. The human race cooperates via market mechanisms. Those need to adjust to reflect the costs of global warming.