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I mean isn't it the same with developers ? If you're competent you have offers left and right and can command a very good salary. If you're out of a diploma mi

I mean isn't it the same with developers ? If you're competent you have offers left and right and can command a very good salary. If you're out of a diploma mill with just the curriculum under your belt you're basically useless.

JamesBarney 6y ago
I don't think it is. I don't know any developers who have left the profession because of a lack of employability. But I know plenty of lawyers who have. And a law degree is probably more comparable to a masters in CS than a bootcamp like flatiron.
- reader_mode 6y ago
  > I don't know any developers who have left the profession because of a lack of employability. I feel like this is only true because there's such huge demand recently if you have a pulse and can code fizz buzz you can get hired - but I know 3 guys of the top of my head who went to school with me, finished 5 years (local uni, I dropped out but kept in touch) and then went in to IT or sales because they weren't good enough to get hired as devs - this was 10 years ago.
  - JamesBarney 6y ago
    In my mind I was counting IT, software sales, project management, business analyst etc... Any IT related profession. If someone used a law degree to sell law software, or malpractice insurance I would count that was well.
  - HireMePlz 6y ago
    Where are these jobs at? I have a pulse and can do most of the white boarding tests and have been “upskilling” on these things simply because that’s what interviewing is about these days. I’d like to think that it has not been a waste of time learning how to implement a dual pivot quicksort but it sure feels like it.
- cortesoft 6y ago
  If you met the developers you know through your work as a developer, then you are likely having a selection bias issue. You probably haven't met the 'developers' who come out of school not actually knowing how to be a developer... they never get jobs, or they get jobs at the lowest tier, and you never interact with them. They leave the industry before you get a chance to meet them.
- jl2718 6y ago
  There are legions of them. Layoff over 50 is a career-ender in software. Lawyers are just warming up at that point.
  - ramblerman 6y ago
    Legions huh? Do you have something to back up that claim. It's often stated - and worried about, but whenever a thread comes up about devs over 50, we mainly see counterexamples.
    - jl2718 6y ago
      Everybody I worked with when I was 16. They were then my age now. I know where this goes.

JamesBarney 6y ago

I don't think it is. I don't know any developers who have left the profession because of a lack of employability. But I know plenty of lawyers who have. And a law degree is probably more comparable to a masters in CS than a bootcamp like flatiron.

reader_mode 6y ago
> I don't know any developers who have left the profession because of a lack of employability. I feel like this is only true because there's such huge demand recently if you have a pulse and can code fizz buzz you can get hired - but I know 3 guys of the top of my head who went to school with me, finished 5 years (local uni, I dropped out but kept in touch) and then went in to IT or sales because they weren't good enough to get hired as devs - this was 10 years ago.
- JamesBarney 6y ago
  In my mind I was counting IT, software sales, project management, business analyst etc... Any IT related profession. If someone used a law degree to sell law software, or malpractice insurance I would count that was well.
- HireMePlz 6y ago
  Where are these jobs at? I have a pulse and can do most of the white boarding tests and have been “upskilling” on these things simply because that’s what interviewing is about these days. I’d like to think that it has not been a waste of time learning how to implement a dual pivot quicksort but it sure feels like it.
cortesoft 6y ago
If you met the developers you know through your work as a developer, then you are likely having a selection bias issue. You probably haven't met the 'developers' who come out of school not actually knowing how to be a developer... they never get jobs, or they get jobs at the lowest tier, and you never interact with them. They leave the industry before you get a chance to meet them.
jl2718 6y ago
There are legions of them. Layoff over 50 is a career-ender in software. Lawyers are just warming up at that point.
- ramblerman 6y ago
  Legions huh? Do you have something to back up that claim. It's often stated - and worried about, but whenever a thread comes up about devs over 50, we mainly see counterexamples.
  - jl2718 6y ago
    Everybody I worked with when I was 16. They were then my age now. I know where this goes.