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"Trump has said he will concede if fair." Sorry for the bad language, but What The Hell does this mean in a well established democracy? Is this a statement tha

"Trump has said he will concede if fair." Sorry for the bad language, but What The Hell does this mean in a well established democracy? Is this a statement that a leader of a well-governed state can put out for his own country? We are talking about the USA not a banana republic. And somehow this behavior has been normalized.

aww_dang 6y ago
It means that regardless of the results on election night, there's a reasonable probability that lawyers and possibly the supreme court will become involved. >What does this mean in a well established democracy? As the established democratic institutions declined in Rome, the cesar was selected by the praetorian guard. Similarly in the US's we see intelligence agencies and Federal law enforcement agencies conspiring to undermine the legitimacy of the Presidency. This was most visible in the failed attempt to impeach him for alleged connections to Russia. From this perspective, it is possible to understand an unwillingness to accept an "unfair" outcome resulting from fraud or other interference as preservation of the republic. The decline of democratic government was foretold by Plato. Of course for those who are prone to compare the President to an autocrat, ignoring this decline or blaming Trump for it may seem reasonable. However, it is possible to interpret the unwillingness to concede with good faith.
- whatever1 6y ago
  Even better, let’s ask Russia to send us a delegation to oversee our election and ensure the validity of the results.
  - aww_dang 6y ago
    "International Election Monitors Arrive in the US for the Nov. 3 Poll" https://www.passblue.com/2020/10/07/international-election-monitors-arrive-in-the-us-for-the-nov-3-poll/ https://www.passblue.com/2020/10/07/international-election-m... >The OSCE, based in Vienna, is an intergovernmental body of 57 countries from Europe, North America and Central Asia. It has been monitoring elections in the US since 2002, most recently the 2018 midterm elections. https://www.osce.org/participating-states https://www.osce.org/participating-states >Russian Federation

aww_dang 6y ago

It means that regardless of the results on election night, there's a reasonable probability that lawyers and possibly the supreme court will become involved. >What does this mean in a well established democracy? As the established democratic institutions declined in Rome, the cesar was selected by the praetorian guard. Similarly in the US's we see intelligence agencies and Federal law enforcement agencies conspiring to undermine the legitimacy of the Presidency. This was most visible in the failed attempt to impeach him for alleged connections to Russia. From this perspective, it is possible to understand an unwillingness to accept an "unfair" outcome resulting from fraud or other interference as preservation of the republic. The decline of democratic government was foretold by Plato. Of course for those who are prone to compare the President to an autocrat, ignoring this decline or blaming Trump for it may seem reasonable. However, it is possible to interpret the unwillingness to concede with good faith.

whatever1 6y ago
Even better, let’s ask Russia to send us a delegation to oversee our election and ensure the validity of the results.
- aww_dang 6y ago
  "International Election Monitors Arrive in the US for the Nov. 3 Poll" https://www.passblue.com/2020/10/07/international-election-monitors-arrive-in-the-us-for-the-nov-3-poll/ https://www.passblue.com/2020/10/07/international-election-m... >The OSCE, based in Vienna, is an intergovernmental body of 57 countries from Europe, North America and Central Asia. It has been monitoring elections in the US since 2002, most recently the 2018 midterm elections. https://www.osce.org/participating-states https://www.osce.org/participating-states >Russian Federation