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we really gotta disambiguate some terms, here. Bernie is a leftist. Biden is a liberal. Hillary was / is neoliberal (which you could also peg biden as, and whic

we really gotta disambiguate some terms, here. Bernie is a leftist. Biden is a liberal. Hillary was / is neoliberal (which you could also peg biden as, and which we used to call neoconservative). The democratic party is, on a good day, liberal but actually neoconservative. That is to say: Leftist : power to the people. pro social programs, pro election reform, held of the belief that unchecked markets lead to unchecked evil. Liberal: pro regulation, socially left. don't-rock-the-boat political and economic mentality. pro middle class, pro tax neoconservative / neoliberal: let the markets run free, deregulate the banks, remove capital gains taxes and push tax burden down the chain to the working class. extremely permissive business laws. heavy focus on socially liberal policies like gun regulation, abortion, and gay rights because it makes for a wonderful distraction while their wall street buddies rob everyone blind and deaf. please stop clumping leftists in with the rest. we hate that shit. there are barely any leftist politicians, and the democratic party spends most of it's time trying to get them to shut up. we're as mad about it as anyone else.

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gremlinsinc 6y ago
I totally agree with this (moving more from DSA territory recently to anarchist communism, myself) I have a feeling that the lincoln project's goal is not just to get Trump out, but actually to instigate a coup within the dem party, give up some on abortion/2a to keep the neoliberal / centrist status quo. Mark my words in ten years, the dems will move more right, I wouldn't be surprised to see Kasich and Romney as democrats. The left will be regrouping, and the far right, well they'll be hiding from the FBI mostly (at least the terrorist factions). I mean, think about it. The dems are the epitomy of Reagan republicans. If you wanted to reboot the insanity that is Trumpism, all you'd need to do is get a significant number of fiscal republicans to become democrats, and run as democrats, and maybe embrace a 'few' social programs to 'appear' democrat enough.
- pksebben 6y ago
  ...I would argue that this has already happened. Consider the Green New Deal - absolutely a leftist document. Half the Democratic party immediately jumped down AOC's throat and jumped on the "come on, be reasonable" bandwagon. Not so many years ago, our candidate was Gore. Gore could have written the GND himself. There is no party for the left. There is center and right and (currently in the white house) extreme right. Which we're now calling alt-right, while there's absolutely nothing 'alt' about it.

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gremlinsinc 6y ago

I totally agree with this (moving more from DSA territory recently to anarchist communism, myself) I have a feeling that the lincoln project's goal is not just to get Trump out, but actually to instigate a coup within the dem party, give up some on abortion/2a to keep the neoliberal / centrist status quo. Mark my words in ten years, the dems will move more right, I wouldn't be surprised to see Kasich and Romney as democrats. The left will be regrouping, and the far right, well they'll be hiding from the FBI mostly (at least the terrorist factions). I mean, think about it. The dems are the epitomy of Reagan republicans. If you wanted to reboot the insanity that is Trumpism, all you'd need to do is get a significant number of fiscal republicans to become democrats, and run as democrats, and maybe embrace a 'few' social programs to 'appear' democrat enough.

pksebben 6y ago
...I would argue that this has already happened. Consider the Green New Deal - absolutely a leftist document. Half the Democratic party immediately jumped down AOC's throat and jumped on the "come on, be reasonable" bandwagon. Not so many years ago, our candidate was Gore. Gore could have written the GND himself. There is no party for the left. There is center and right and (currently in the white house) extreme right. Which we're now calling alt-right, while there's absolutely nothing 'alt' about it.