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I might be dense here, but why was it problematic?

dylan604 6y ago
NIMBY is strong. When people find out that O&G is making calls to residents in an area, people mobilize to protest. These people would be protesting something that didn't exist. Nobody likes fighting a negative PR campaign like that. That's just a single example off the top of my head
- deanCommie 6y ago
  Alternative interpretation: O&G Company was planning to get their plan in order first for how they would drill the area, then figure out how to convince the residents to support the project. By flipping the script, and revealing the information early they gave the residents more power to push back against the project or expect more equitable compensation.
  - fudged71 6y ago
    The O&G company had no intention of doing this project, it was entirely fictional
    - deanCommie 6y ago
      The implication in the story as told is the O&G company was using free college labor to do real work. That is completely with precedent.
- ericmay 6y ago
  You say NIMBY like it's a bad thing.... Why shouldn't communities be able to organize when something threatens their interests and vote against it or find another solution?
  - dylan604 6y ago
    No I did not. Don't read into things that aren't there. Just because I used the phrase NIMBY does not mean I am against it. I detest how O&G companies behave, however, I can also see exactly why this example would drive them mad. They have to gear up for exactly this type of reaction when they do want to move into an area, so to have to gear up for a fight when there are no plans just means spending effort on something totally stupid.
    - ericmay 6y ago
      > Don't read into things that aren't there. I think I'm allowed to read words and gauge sentiment, and you're allowed to correct it as you have. No biggie. One thing to note however is that the term NIMBY has a negative connotation, especially on this site.
      - dylan604 6y ago
        That's what I told my literature teachers in school. Just because you have your accepted interpretation of the written material doesn't mean I can't have mine. "Yes, but you are wrong" was always the response. Can't imagine why I took to math & science over prose instead.
ringading 6y ago
The problem, very broadly, is that real-world actions can have real-world consequences, and a gaggle of students wandering off and conceivably engaging in real-world actions in the name of some company which they aren't actually affiliated with is unlikely to be a risk which that company signed up for.
- CalRobert 6y ago
  Maybe they should pay people doing work for them.
Zenst 6y ago
One aspect would be that they used real data for test data aspect and the whole data protection law aspect that can impact that as anybody who has had to produce test data will attest. The days of using a copy of existing data for testing taken many a blow over this. Then the people factor - if you get a survey asking for your views of XYZ in the area, you will kinda start to think XYZ is happening and won't know the difference from students doing an exercise over official - it's a happening people. But asking questions can often have unforeseen impacts. For example - if your company sent out a questionnaire to see who likes Christmas or not then some employees may well think that the company is going to cancel Christmas bonus or other worst cases as that is an aspect of human nature. So somebody asking for a training exercise some questions could see people joining dots and run with it and next you know, protests for something that was never going to happen.

NIMBY is strong. When people find out that O&G is making calls to residents in an area, people mobilize to protest. These people would be protesting something that didn't exist. Nobody likes fighting a negative PR campaign like that. That's just a single example off the top of my head

deanCommie 6y ago
Alternative interpretation: O&G Company was planning to get their plan in order first for how they would drill the area, then figure out how to convince the residents to support the project. By flipping the script, and revealing the information early they gave the residents more power to push back against the project or expect more equitable compensation.
- fudged71 6y ago
  The O&G company had no intention of doing this project, it was entirely fictional
  - deanCommie 6y ago
    The implication in the story as told is the O&G company was using free college labor to do real work. That is completely with precedent.
ericmay 6y ago
You say NIMBY like it's a bad thing.... Why shouldn't communities be able to organize when something threatens their interests and vote against it or find another solution?
- dylan604 6y ago
  No I did not. Don't read into things that aren't there. Just because I used the phrase NIMBY does not mean I am against it. I detest how O&G companies behave, however, I can also see exactly why this example would drive them mad. They have to gear up for exactly this type of reaction when they do want to move into an area, so to have to gear up for a fight when there are no plans just means spending effort on something totally stupid.
  - ericmay 6y ago
    > Don't read into things that aren't there. I think I'm allowed to read words and gauge sentiment, and you're allowed to correct it as you have. No biggie. One thing to note however is that the term NIMBY has a negative connotation, especially on this site.
    - dylan604 6y ago
      That's what I told my literature teachers in school. Just because you have your accepted interpretation of the written material doesn't mean I can't have mine. "Yes, but you are wrong" was always the response. Can't imagine why I took to math & science over prose instead.

ringading 6y ago

The problem, very broadly, is that real-world actions can have real-world consequences, and a gaggle of students wandering off and conceivably engaging in real-world actions in the name of some company which they aren't actually affiliated with is unlikely to be a risk which that company signed up for.

CalRobert 6y ago
Maybe they should pay people doing work for them.

Zenst 6y ago

One aspect would be that they used real data for test data aspect and the whole data protection law aspect that can impact that as anybody who has had to produce test data will attest. The days of using a copy of existing data for testing taken many a blow over this. Then the people factor - if you get a survey asking for your views of XYZ in the area, you will kinda start to think XYZ is happening and won't know the difference from students doing an exercise over official - it's a happening people. But asking questions can often have unforeseen impacts. For example - if your company sent out a questionnaire to see who likes Christmas or not then some employees may well think that the company is going to cancel Christmas bonus or other worst cases as that is an aspect of human nature. So somebody asking for a training exercise some questions could see people joining dots and run with it and next you know, protests for something that was never going to happen.