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That is all true, but the question then becomes whether Wayland will ever be widely adopted. For most users X is good enough, and replacing it with a quasi beta

That is all true, but the question then becomes whether Wayland will ever be widely adopted. For most users X is good enough, and replacing it with a quasi beta-quality implementation is not appealing to them. As long as there is only a very small group interested in developing the Wayland ecosystem, it is unlikely ever to get to the point where users (or distros) can be convinced to adopt it. The way things are currently going, Wayland may turn out to be another HURD: it's always a year away from being ready, and there are some enthusiasts working on it, but in the end, it is supplanted by a more pragmatic solution. And the only way that is happening is once X is falling apart enough that some company like Redhat coordinates an effort to replace it.

DCKing 6y ago
Yes, this process of moving away from X11 has been terribly mismanaged - by not being managed at all really. But it's not quite as dire as you're saying. > For most users X is good enough It's good to understand the converse is also true. For a lot of users, Gnome with Wayland is also good enough [1]. Fedora's default install has been Gnome with Wayland since Fedora 25, which was released almost four years ago. Since then I've primarily used this non-X11 desktop on my Linux desktop, although I did fall back to X11 for specific scenarios. Debian 10 and CentOS 8 (both released over a year ago) also default to Gnome with Wayland for a desktop install. Red Hat's and the Debian Project's decisions there may have been questionable, but this is still software many, many users use daily despite its limitations. It's certainly well beyond a GNU Hurd situation even if it doesn't reach your or my desktop standards all the time. Despite the utter mess this transition has been for years, I do think Wayland will persevere in the end and become dominant. Features users expect from a modern desktop, like fractional UI scaling, rich trackpad gestures and browser hardware video decoding are implemented more quickly for the non-X11 desktop stack. People seem to implicitly agree it's the future, although to this day some essential parts of it are still left behind. That's just the free software community for you - no centralized planning or vison, and nobody works on the boring parts. [1]: It's only been Gnome so far that has reached this level of "mainstream acceptance". KDE with Wayland is almost there, and Sway has a lot of enthusiasm around it too.
dralley 6y ago
Wayland has been enabled by default on Fedora for nearly 4 years, on Debian for 1.5 years, and on RHEL/CentOS for about the same (the GNOME editions in each case). Sway has been working great for quite some time as well. KDE has been lagging behind, but is finally at a place where it will be usable by the next release. It's therefore somewhat difficult to identify with your phrasing. Wayland is already here, "ready" or not, it's taking over.
- ldng 6y ago
  There are more than 3 Desktop/Window Manager in the Linux/Unix world, right ? What happen to the others ?

DCKing 6y ago

Yes, this process of moving away from X11 has been terribly mismanaged - by not being managed at all really. But it's not quite as dire as you're saying. > For most users X is good enough It's good to understand the converse is also true. For a lot of users, Gnome with Wayland is also good enough [1]. Fedora's default install has been Gnome with Wayland since Fedora 25, which was released almost four years ago. Since then I've primarily used this non-X11 desktop on my Linux desktop, although I did fall back to X11 for specific scenarios. Debian 10 and CentOS 8 (both released over a year ago) also default to Gnome with Wayland for a desktop install. Red Hat's and the Debian Project's decisions there may have been questionable, but this is still software many, many users use daily despite its limitations. It's certainly well beyond a GNU Hurd situation even if it doesn't reach your or my desktop standards all the time. Despite the utter mess this transition has been for years, I do think Wayland will persevere in the end and become dominant. Features users expect from a modern desktop, like fractional UI scaling, rich trackpad gestures and browser hardware video decoding are implemented more quickly for the non-X11 desktop stack. People seem to implicitly agree it's the future, although to this day some essential parts of it are still left behind. That's just the free software community for you - no centralized planning or vison, and nobody works on the boring parts. [1]: It's only been Gnome so far that has reached this level of "mainstream acceptance". KDE with Wayland is almost there, and Sway has a lot of enthusiasm around it too.

dralley 6y ago

Wayland has been enabled by default on Fedora for nearly 4 years, on Debian for 1.5 years, and on RHEL/CentOS for about the same (the GNOME editions in each case). Sway has been working great for quite some time as well. KDE has been lagging behind, but is finally at a place where it will be usable by the next release. It's therefore somewhat difficult to identify with your phrasing. Wayland is already here, "ready" or not, it's taking over.

ldng 6y ago
There are more than 3 Desktop/Window Manager in the Linux/Unix world, right ? What happen to the others ?