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This is the biggest problem. I accept Wayland brings benefits for some people, but I couldn't care less. Since I don't care about the benefits it brings, it nee

This is the biggest problem. I accept Wayland brings benefits for some people, but I couldn't care less. Since I don't care about the benefits it brings, it needs to be entirely painless. Until the switch is more painless than holding on to Xorg, there will be a good chunk of users with no incentive to make the move. That depends a lot on how difficult it is to keep Xorg working with modern distros. You might get forced into Wayland when your favourite distro and all acceptable alternatives don’t want to put the work into integrating and patching an aging Xorg. Whether it’s with a carrot or a stick, you’re going to Wayland sooner or later.

CountSessine 6y ago
The good news is that by the time that happens, hopefully the desktop environments will have picked up the slack and the feature-gap will be narrower.
account42 6y ago
If you need to make the alternatives worse in order for people to switch then Wayland has failed.
- majewsky 6y ago
  No, it means it has succeeded in attracting the X developers over, so the old stack starts bitrotting. Remember, this was not some guys just randomly showing up and pushing their shiny new thing on people. Wayland was started by one of the developers who had already worked on the Xorg stack for several years.
- CountSessine 6y ago
  Nobody is intentionally going to make X worse but everyone will make the kernel, graphics drivers, desktop environments, and other components better but potentially different in ways that no one will be updating X to match. X and it’s associated tech like DRI will bitrot. And of course existing bugs will go unaddressed.
vidarh 6y ago
Thankfully I have few compelling reasons to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, so that will take a long time. Maybe by then Wayland will be a viable choice. At this stage I'm not convinced it won't be superseded by something else before then. Put another way: I've seen similar new things come and disappear several times.

CountSessine 6y ago

The good news is that by the time that happens, hopefully the desktop environments will have picked up the slack and the feature-gap will be narrower.

account42 6y ago

If you need to make the alternatives worse in order for people to switch then Wayland has failed.

majewsky 6y ago
No, it means it has succeeded in attracting the X developers over, so the old stack starts bitrotting. Remember, this was not some guys just randomly showing up and pushing their shiny new thing on people. Wayland was started by one of the developers who had already worked on the Xorg stack for several years.
CountSessine 6y ago
Nobody is intentionally going to make X worse but everyone will make the kernel, graphics drivers, desktop environments, and other components better but potentially different in ways that no one will be updating X to match. X and it’s associated tech like DRI will bitrot. And of course existing bugs will go unaddressed.

vidarh 6y ago

Thankfully I have few compelling reasons to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, so that will take a long time. Maybe by then Wayland will be a viable choice. At this stage I'm not convinced it won't be superseded by something else before then. Put another way: I've seen similar new things come and disappear several times.