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How many indie games are pushing 4k with ray tracing/eye candy which is really what dlss is for

by NikolaeVarius 6y ago

cma 6y ago
It's a basic engine feature now with a toggle in the major engines.
- NikolaeVarius 6y ago
  The point is that looking at DLSS supported games, majority are AAA titles, which is what DLSS is for. Who cares if your average indie game doesn't support it, it probably isn't useful in those cases since you're already running it at 900 FPS
  - cma 6y ago
    4K and raytracing are just feature toggles with next to no added development time. To get assets with texel density necessary to really take advantage of 4K? There are huge photogrammetry libraries accessible to indies like Quixel megascans, etc. you probably have an outdated notion of where things stand, IMO. > The point is that looking at DLSS supported games, majority are AAA titles, which is what DLSS is for. No, that's my point, and it is in part due to lock out with Nvidia's explicit whitelisting system.
  - thrwyoilarticle 6y ago
    Unless it's Dwarf Fortress
dogma1138 6y ago
How many people spend $500-800 on a GPU just to play indie games? And in any case since Unreal and Unity are integrating DLSS and other "GameWorks RTX" features more and more games will be able to implement them with essentially just a toggle. The graphical fidelity in indie games has increased dramatically mostly due to the fact that Unreal Engine became very indie friendly and Unity has really stepped up their game with what they offer out of the box. Eye candy is now easy because the game engines have a lot of these effects and the materials required for them built-in and you also can quite easily get really high quality assets, particles and materials in the engine marketplace for very low cost. 5 years ago developing a water shader for physically accurate water rendering would probably take an indie dev months to do complete and probably could've gotten them a speaking spot at GDC, today it's a toggle switch in the UE4 level editor.
- cma 6y ago
  > And in any case since Unreal and Unity are integrating DLSS and other "GameWorks RTX" features more and more games will be able to implement them with essentially just a toggle. That integration (UE4) comes uses the watermarked dll. Unusable until you get explicitly whitelisted by Nvidia. Only a few tens of games have been whitelisted.
  - dogma1138 6y ago
    It's still in its development stages and NVIDIA essentially wants to guarantee that all games that launch with DLSS have a good enough implementation not to draw criticism. The current rumour mill hints at 3.0 when it goes GA it's also when it should be part of unity. However you can still grab the DLSS branch that NVIDIA maintains and work on it, if the result is good enough I haven't seen any evidence stating that removing that watermark is particularly difficult.

How many indie games are pushing 4k with ray tracing/eye candy which is really what dlss is for

cma 6y ago

It's a basic engine feature now with a toggle in the major engines.

NikolaeVarius 6y ago
The point is that looking at DLSS supported games, majority are AAA titles, which is what DLSS is for. Who cares if your average indie game doesn't support it, it probably isn't useful in those cases since you're already running it at 900 FPS
- cma 6y ago
  4K and raytracing are just feature toggles with next to no added development time. To get assets with texel density necessary to really take advantage of 4K? There are huge photogrammetry libraries accessible to indies like Quixel megascans, etc. you probably have an outdated notion of where things stand, IMO. > The point is that looking at DLSS supported games, majority are AAA titles, which is what DLSS is for. No, that's my point, and it is in part due to lock out with Nvidia's explicit whitelisting system.
- thrwyoilarticle 6y ago
  Unless it's Dwarf Fortress

dogma1138 6y ago

How many people spend $500-800 on a GPU just to play indie games? And in any case since Unreal and Unity are integrating DLSS and other "GameWorks RTX" features more and more games will be able to implement them with essentially just a toggle. The graphical fidelity in indie games has increased dramatically mostly due to the fact that Unreal Engine became very indie friendly and Unity has really stepped up their game with what they offer out of the box. Eye candy is now easy because the game engines have a lot of these effects and the materials required for them built-in and you also can quite easily get really high quality assets, particles and materials in the engine marketplace for very low cost. 5 years ago developing a water shader for physically accurate water rendering would probably take an indie dev months to do complete and probably could've gotten them a speaking spot at GDC, today it's a toggle switch in the UE4 level editor.

cma 6y ago
> And in any case since Unreal and Unity are integrating DLSS and other "GameWorks RTX" features more and more games will be able to implement them with essentially just a toggle. That integration (UE4) comes uses the watermarked dll. Unusable until you get explicitly whitelisted by Nvidia. Only a few tens of games have been whitelisted.
- dogma1138 6y ago
  It's still in its development stages and NVIDIA essentially wants to guarantee that all games that launch with DLSS have a good enough implementation not to draw criticism. The current rumour mill hints at 3.0 when it goes GA it's also when it should be part of unity. However you can still grab the DLSS branch that NVIDIA maintains and work on it, if the result is good enough I haven't seen any evidence stating that removing that watermark is particularly difficult.