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> The trouble is, a neophyte will a) have no idea what the difference is between Wayland and Xorg, and b) not realize that switching might fix whatever issue th

> The trouble is, a neophyte will a) have no idea what the difference is between Wayland and Xorg, and b) not realize that switching might fix whatever issue they're encountering. But they're definitely clever enough to be using xdotool. Lol. Wayland may not fit with everyone, which is fine, no one is taking X away from you. But allow the vast majority of users to have their scaling displays and multiple monitor setups, which is far more common than your requirements. I'm sorry Wayland hasn't come far enough yet to cover you as well, but it's far enough for the vast majority of users. You bring up xdotool in everything thread as if it's something that Grandma uses Linux for. It's not. > And BTW, this all presumes that a distro installs Xorg at all. If not, you've gotta dive into the package manager, which adds an additional barrier since you need to know what to look for and install. So be honest what you're arguing for. You, as an accomplished unix user, want distro defaults to be tailored to your use case. That's not what distro defaults are there for.

ubercow13 6y ago
And regarding global hotkeys? Something which before would involve going into an application's settings and seeing "Choose hotkey for X", a la Windows, now involves going into the compositor's settings, adding a hotkey, knowing what the command line is and how to achieve X via the command line, understanding how launching commands can affect already-running instances of applications, adding a hotkey there... That seems distinctly anti-grandma.
- dylan-m 6y ago
  I think we should acknowledge many people have grandmas who build desktop operating systems, so this is perhaps a source of misunderstanding :b What kind of global hotkeys are we talking about that casual everyday users need, as opposed to people who build their own desktop OS from parts? We all tried the universal frictionless global hotkeys thing. It was a really bad idea for a general audience [1]. That's why we have MPRIS for global media player controls (Firefox supports it now, which is awesome!), and stuff like the keyboard shortcut inhibit protocol for VMs and the like. It's unfortunate for the building an OS from parts thing, but unlike cars and smartphones, at least it is still all open source. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystroke_logging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystroke_logging

ubercow13 6y ago

And regarding global hotkeys? Something which before would involve going into an application's settings and seeing "Choose hotkey for X", a la Windows, now involves going into the compositor's settings, adding a hotkey, knowing what the command line is and how to achieve X via the command line, understanding how launching commands can affect already-running instances of applications, adding a hotkey there... That seems distinctly anti-grandma.

dylan-m 6y ago
I think we should acknowledge many people have grandmas who build desktop operating systems, so this is perhaps a source of misunderstanding :b What kind of global hotkeys are we talking about that casual everyday users need, as opposed to people who build their own desktop OS from parts? We all tried the universal frictionless global hotkeys thing. It was a really bad idea for a general audience [1]. That's why we have MPRIS for global media player controls (Firefox supports it now, which is awesome!), and stuff like the keyboard shortcut inhibit protocol for VMs and the like. It's unfortunate for the building an OS from parts thing, but unlike cars and smartphones, at least it is still all open source. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystroke_logging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystroke_logging