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> I switched to Sway recently. I couldn't believe how snappy it is. This is the common refrain I tend to see. I know I was certainly in the "Can't believe it"

> I switched to Sway recently. I couldn't believe how snappy it is. This is the common refrain I tend to see. I know I was certainly in the "Can't believe it" category, since I'd tried wayland about 4 years ago and ended up moving back to X. That said, I had exactly the same reaction 2 years ago when I gave it a shot on my new machine. It was fast, didn't show any tearing or flickering, handled automatic configuration of most monitors correctly, and made my touchpad genuinely nice to use. Just the touchpad support alone won me over pretty much immediately. I went from "Eh, Wayland isn't ready" to "Holy shit, I'm never going back!"

The_rationalist 6y ago
On what benchmarck can we measure this? Phoronix regularly show that Wayland is slightly slower than X.
- dralley 6y ago
  It could be mostly subjective - lack of "jank" can go a long way in terms of making UIs feel faster and nicer to use.
- renox 6y ago
  I'm not surprised: one of Wayland's goal is to produce 'perfect frame' at the very least this has a latency cost..
  - The_rationalist 6y ago
    I have yet to see evidence that Wayland has less artifacts/tearing than X. Wayland does not has such a thing: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Radeon-TearFree-Rotate https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Radeon-T... Also Wayland probably has less support for adaptative sync (which is the biggest feature regarding what you call a perfect frame)
    - dralley 6y ago
      Try watching videos in VLC media player on Xorg vs Wayland, you'll see the difference. The former is nearly unwatchable if the scene has lots of darkness punctuated by light, such as a fire.
      - account42 6y ago
        X11 doesn't have tearing for me.
    - majewsky 6y ago
      > less support for adaptive sync What does "less support" mean? At least on my system, Sway is running with adaptive sync enabled.
      - The_rationalist 6y ago
        Sway is the only Wayland compositor to supports freesync

The_rationalist 6y ago

On what benchmarck can we measure this? Phoronix regularly show that Wayland is slightly slower than X.

dralley 6y ago
It could be mostly subjective - lack of "jank" can go a long way in terms of making UIs feel faster and nicer to use.
renox 6y ago
I'm not surprised: one of Wayland's goal is to produce 'perfect frame' at the very least this has a latency cost..
- The_rationalist 6y ago
  I have yet to see evidence that Wayland has less artifacts/tearing than X. Wayland does not has such a thing: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Radeon-TearFree-Rotate https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Radeon-T... Also Wayland probably has less support for adaptative sync (which is the biggest feature regarding what you call a perfect frame)
  - dralley 6y ago
    Try watching videos in VLC media player on Xorg vs Wayland, you'll see the difference. The former is nearly unwatchable if the scene has lots of darkness punctuated by light, such as a fire.
    - account42 6y ago
      X11 doesn't have tearing for me.
  - majewsky 6y ago
    > less support for adaptive sync What does "less support" mean? At least on my system, Sway is running with adaptive sync enabled.
    - The_rationalist 6y ago
      Sway is the only Wayland compositor to supports freesync