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Guys don't be stupid. Colloquially we all associate genocide with killings, the oxford definition captures this fact. We all know it, you can look up the formal

Guys don't be stupid. Colloquially we all associate genocide with killings, the oxford definition captures this fact. We all know it, you can look up the formal term but when someone utters the word genocide the last thing they think about is sterilization. They think killings. We all know this by common sense. You guys are using technicalities to further an argument for no reason. In addition to this the technical terms are all different so it's not like I've been proven wrong. My oxford definition actually incorporates the word "killing" so we can argue about technicalities till forever or we can not be stupid and admit that when people hear or use the word "genocide" they think about "killings" "murder" and mass "slaughter" Under the other definitions basically an abortion clinic becomes a genocide clinic. We don't associate abortion clinics with genocide... nothing is out of line here At all. You guys can cite the UN definition of genocide but nobody uses that definition in the english language, it's really too big a of an essay for someone to hold in their head. Realistically when you see the word in an article or uttered by a person it's using the oxford definition which is the exact context we're in right now.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> Colloquially we all associate genocide with killings, the oxford definition captures this fact. No, we don't, and the Merriam-Webster definition [0] captures this fact: “the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group”. As does the Britannica [1] definition: “the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.” While killing the individual members of a group is a common mechanism of genocide, the killing the “-cide” in the term refers to is the killing or destruction of the group as a group, not the killing of the individuals who constitute the group. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide [1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide
- nerdtime 6y ago
  >While killing the individual members of a group is a common mechanism of genocide, the killing the “-cide” in the term refers to is the killing or destruction of the group as a group, not the killing of the individuals who constitute the group. NO. I never said associate killings with individuals. That is your own error. I said killings without specifying the context assuming that you had the capacity to assume killing a group rather than an individual as the oxford definition specifies this. Again you're getting into technicalities but your technicalities prove nothing because the oxford definition has "killing" embedded in the definition. Think about it. We have several sourced definitions here and they all seem legitimate so which one is correct? There's no way to verify this on a technical level but we can talk in terms of common sense. I don't know how big your capacity for common sense is, but think about it this way. When someone says "That dictator is conducting mass genocide" do you automatically translate that sentence to "That dictator is sterilizing the population" ? No you don't... we think "killing" and the oxford dictionary accurately captures our thoughts. As does the latin -cide which you yourself cited. You have no choice but to jump to common sense here as the sourced definitions are conflicting.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Colloquially we all associate genocide with killings, the oxford definition captures this fact. No, we don't, and the Merriam-Webster definition [0] captures this fact: “the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group”. As does the Britannica [1] definition: “the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.” While killing the individual members of a group is a common mechanism of genocide, the killing the “-cide” in the term refers to is the killing or destruction of the group as a group, not the killing of the individuals who constitute the group. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide [1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide

nerdtime 6y ago
>While killing the individual members of a group is a common mechanism of genocide, the killing the “-cide” in the term refers to is the killing or destruction of the group as a group, not the killing of the individuals who constitute the group. NO. I never said associate killings with individuals. That is your own error. I said killings without specifying the context assuming that you had the capacity to assume killing a group rather than an individual as the oxford definition specifies this. Again you're getting into technicalities but your technicalities prove nothing because the oxford definition has "killing" embedded in the definition. Think about it. We have several sourced definitions here and they all seem legitimate so which one is correct? There's no way to verify this on a technical level but we can talk in terms of common sense. I don't know how big your capacity for common sense is, but think about it this way. When someone says "That dictator is conducting mass genocide" do you automatically translate that sentence to "That dictator is sterilizing the population" ? No you don't... we think "killing" and the oxford dictionary accurately captures our thoughts. As does the latin -cide which you yourself cited. You have no choice but to jump to common sense here as the sourced definitions are conflicting.